Terminate horse boarding contract without notice?
Hello,
I have the problem that I'm absolutely not happy with my stable. The situation is as follows:
Our old stable owner sold the stud farm because of her age.
The new stable owners are a young family. Neither of them has any training in equine work. Her husband is a farmer, but says he only knows about cows, not horses. They didn't want any training from the old stable owners.
Since the handover, things have been a mess. The hay is moldy and gray, causing the horses to cough and become ill. The horses were taken to the clinic because of this, and they had a bronchoscopy, which revealed that it was mold. She talked to the stable owner, who wanted to send a sample, but then decided against it. The horse's owner then sent some hay to herself and had it analyzed.
During rain and thunderstorms, our horses are left out in the meadow without any shelter. There are neither trees nor tents there.
My horse had to be isolated due to his cough and went without water for two days. (I was attending an overnight training course, so I wasn't at the stable.) I also had to muck out the stable myself. Unfortunately, my horse never received the medication that was supposed to be administered.
I have to say, we're all on full board. We pay for food and medication ourselves, which amounts to 3 euros per day.
My friend's horse was simply taken to riding lessons without prior agreement and was injured.
Geldings were introduced into our herd (only Icelandic mares) for the past seven days. They were constantly jumping on the mares, and we asked them to separate them. The stable owner didn't immediately comply, constantly saying the horses needed to get used to it.
I'd like to leave without notice. I believe this is a massive health risk. My horse is on the brink of death, and I'm scared every day; not a single day gets better. I just want to get out of there.
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Just do it. As soon as possible change the stable, and let it arrive at a process. Even if you should lose (which I don't think; much more will probably not even seek a process…), you would still have won. Naughty nerves, health, and thus also the costs caused by the bad conditions.
Before you think about the big escape, you should know where. And if this is regulated, you can still try it with SPEAK. Yeah, that's true. Simply address the current landlord and say that you pull out and finish the day xy.
If you get the new place significantly before the end of the current payment period, you can still try to negotiate.
How long has the change been?
Any circumstances appropriate for the termination of the contract are accepted by duplication. Say, if you have not promptly (detectable, otherwise anyone can say after that you have not) instructed the upgrade within reasonable time, you have accepted that it is as it is. Then you can't say afterwards, but you want to get out of the contract right now, but you can only quit properly.
So, that you haven't killed the horse so far, put it in safety, but let it go, says you've never been bad enough.
This will give you even more the right to termination without notice, because termination without notice is only possible for serious reasons and not for "well, the first three months have not done anything to me, but now I kill somewhere else and I can use the possibility of the timeless".
I know that you're thinking… but when I go, I'm going to go to the horses right now and I'm going to quit the place with time to pay the overlapping can be cheaper than the veterinarian costs if there's something like that. You can, of course, try to reinstall immediately, get out of time without notice and simply hope that the stable operators do not insist on their right.
That is why the question of how the history of things looks like when each case was reacted when a circumstance occurred.
The change was actually about 3 months ago. Of course, I wanted to give the people time to get "introoven." Still, it doesn't fit. I don't have a written warning, but that with the hay was addressed at an adjusting assembly.
3 months are too long if circumstances really endanger health. If people want to charge their adjustment fees for the notice period, each judge will say that you were good enough for three months and now suddenly it would be in a hurry. If you would have been asked to remedy a situation, you would have good chances.
As I said, today, try to get what they're going on.
Of 24 adjustments, exactly one has gone in time, with her the stable owner had the padock blurred with chains. I just don't have a nerve and no more strength for this… Even though it may be cowardly to go in one night and fog action, mentally I can't stay there.
You can change it at any time.
You can only cancel the place if you do not play the conditions.
By the way, if no contractual agreement is reached: widely used in legal correspondence is an empty box rental of the full rental minus 33% for savings. The dishes are based on the hotel industry.
It is difficult to understand for us horsemen, because the staff must be paid further, but if the courts decide regularly, it can be seen as at least on a regular basis.
If the total space therefore costs 600 euros, an empty rental of 400 can be estimated from the day of departure and can also be enforced in most cases.
So you would only pay 2/3 of the full price for the 8 week notice period if you reinstalled the horse.
Please note that a deposit right is usually covered. You shouldn't offer him an attack if you don't want him to keep your horse.
This is not "too good", which is one of the basic functions of the socially-competent person. Just has nothing to do with the legal structure and is such a "soft criterion" that it is not suitable for the assessment in court where facts stand against each other.
It must always be assumed that the side on which you stand is etched. How often, like hay, considered "smoky" that it is not at all because someone cannot evaluate it? Then the veterinarian is asked where coughs can come from in general, and he counts everything that might come into question as a cause. The inexperience sees hay, which is no longer quite so green, because it may be simply dried under other conditions, but nevertheless is really top and looks as moldy.
A judge must always be neutral here, served in the doubt of an expert.
And for timeless terminations, it is precisely true that circumstances that have just been committed can justify this, not those that have existed for eternity.
Your problem can be determined quite accurately: do two cold rentals occur when you go or not? Recall the maximum value of the dispute, compare it with your chances if you fight legally and decide if it is worth it.
As I said, I thought I'd let the family come first, in which time they'd be mocked. You couldn't judge people. Do you play something or do you need time for everything to go?
I'm just too good.
You must first dismiss in writing with a deadline what needs to be changed. If this is not changed, and you see animal welfare at risk (probably!), then you can go without notice.
You have to prove by pictures, contracts, chat procedures, etc.
At the same time, if it should be ugly, then you'll be fine out and you can let the lawyers do it, namely form- and time-consuming with neat wombs behind it, I've always had the best decision!
You can always tell if you still have to pay, before court.
If the horse is really endangered, it should not reach the 2000 euros. Coming together quickly on veterinarian costs alone.
Subject to doubt, pay and reserve the right to take legal action.
So you can change the horse and repeat the money if necessary.
Without deficiencies, prompting, deadlines, a legal deafening will quickly become.
And beware of a timeless termination, he can usually keep the horse as a deposit until all costs have been paid. The opinions are often distorted. Lien is often in the contract.
Police won't help.
Indefinitely, in a timely manner, for the purpose of paying for the rent of the stables, subject to the timely termination, to take a horse and then to ask for money via a lawyer. Then you have all the time in the world.
Well, before the time limitless termination is dismissed, the horse and the equipment is no longer at the stable.
And why should the questioner pay and order a lawyer, only costs money.
Should the stable operator request the rent.
As a rule, the horse must no longer leave the farm once the farm owner calls up his right.
Stables often talk to each other. The owner of the stables often knows how to remove his wish.
We were allowed to give a horse out to another farm, because the farm had its right to pledge and the court for enforcement determined the transfer to the Ex farm.
We don't know if the Veterinary Office has given its obligations… and they can't tell us about data protection. It's okay. We pay 360 euros warm rental. Her husband is a farmer, but never worked with horses before. She has no qualifications, but in DE, it is probably only necessary to have one agricultural training to make herself self-employed in various areas. She doesn't have a trainer certificate
You're putting up mutations here, you have no idea how high the price is.
And there is a problem here in the professional qualification of the farmer, why not always produce a mold-free hay.
Unfortunately, this will almost never happen after my experience come new installer.
Mostly, the price is lowered, offers become sustainable and therefore even more uneconomical.
The path would be significantly higher priced to ensure the economic success of the enterprise, so that also a qualified and high-quality supply of animals.
This is also about the horse of the Th and all the others are helped to go too
However, the stock doesn't help.
the TE pays rent, of which the hay is covered among others.
there is no excuse for feeding a horse bad food.
On the contrary, the barn operator must be liable for this
If there is no pawn law, recharge horse and it is good.
If he has the financial resources. Successful farmer, unable to advertise high-quality hay.
Because I don't know if the equipment is enough at all.
Were there any conditions?
The coolest thing I could also help the farm, so the horses are well accommodated there, the farm owner has a secured income. This often helps everyone. There are other animals there.
Lien is not in the contract. Your husband is a skilled farmer who must see that the hay is shameful he does it himself. Then you have to bite apple in the saucers and buy high quality elsewhere. She has been informed several times. Veterinary office was there. I have to say honestly, I'd rather have to pay attorney fees than a horse that is on the tip and another veterinarian bill or hospital visit.
If he has nothing or cannot pay it.
It's not always a bad intention.
Sorry to justify moldy hay feeding is not neutral on the sides of the animals.
The animal is chronically ill by moldy hay.
As I said, you have to listen to the defendant.
Depending on the situation on site, the feed procurement for "newlings" can be difficult. To buy hay or to advertise yourself can fail considerably.
How to discard every second delivery when we shop for riding.
He may not.
As said to take over a riding operation often fails at the delay/buyer.
We ourselves already had a total loss for a stable due to damage to the roof. So we had to drive the stocks to zero, in the end we were able to fulfill our obligations as stables by restructuring, and in the end we owe much to the friendly companies. So that we could adapt our stocks at very good prices.
As I said, I am neutral, on the part of the animals and they have nothing to argue about. Most of the horses remain in stock, which have something about putting the operation on solid feet.
We also advise companies if they have problems. Unfortunately, many are late. But installers too often turn to organizations that can help.
No.
That's not justification.
Then he immediately has to organize new hay.
Just as little as there is no justification for the horses not having water or the prescribed medicines not being administered, although paid for.
Yes, he has nothing else.
He can't feed what he didn't have.
There is no justification for feeding moldy hay and damaging property to others sustainably.
I always care about both sides, which often turns out to be behind other motives.
Often, changed modes of operation, rules, prices, sensitivities.
I don't know enough stable operators who do the same thing
In such stories, I would always be interested in the view of the company.
The legal way would be to provide the horse with proper and professional skills.
Someone who doesn't adhere to his duties should bake small rolls.
And you don't seriously believe that you see your money again with such people who will raise your hand and report insolvency.
By the way, they only have a cold box rental.
for Max 150-200€ no horse is picked.
You could even be subject to fraud.
The legal way is to pick up a horse in a timely and timely manner, if necessary trigger a deposit right. If necessary, repeat money.
Again wisely, the horse is gone before the timeless termination begins.
However, horse stables have something to lose, here there is a stable where in a nice regularity entire single-seller groups have gone without a deadline due to similar circumstances as described in the thread.
the stable now has a new operator….
She doesn't have to enforce pawn law.
She just has to say the horse remains here. There's no need for a judge.
The horse has already been provided to the stable as a deposit.
Only if you want to use the deposit you need the court.
Stables almost never have anything to lose. Because more places are usually searched than available. Because as a stable you have quickly put through a shelter. Because often installers can prove little and go on thin ice.
In the end, it is hard to fight over the horse for both sides.
You can fight for years in the wake of money.
The stable owners are not horsemen accordingly they will not be known.
The right to pledge must be enforced once it is in the Treaty.
That's why they have to hire a lawyer, that's all money and what?
For a stable rent in three-digit area?
Improbably.
And even if they get their empty box rental.
Stall also has something to lose, namely his reputation.
He lives from that, and he can be happy if no more people go without notice.
Horse beers talk to each other, not only stable owners
Get out of here before your horse gets worse. You're paying for trouble. You probably need some more time to find a new place?
Well, then quit. These are quite circumstances that would justify a timeless termination.
Just do it.
Let it get on it is the question if they try to sue it.
And if they try to pay for an empty box rental, empty box is realistically around 150€
Have a box rental of 320 euros. Could move early next week and then she has her complete rent for the month. Is it okay?
I would do it this way, but I would actually only make my horse away and then only announce
Yes, however, I suspect that she wants to find out where we are to talk badly.
If she can blame you, both are not forbidden.
And if she's nothing to hide, then the vet office can come
Yes, they finally got rest. Still got a “nice” message from her. Prevents bad google reviews and veterinary checks.
I'm pushing the thumbs
I killed you. I first cleared the saddle cabinet and kept the most necessary in it. Yesterday I said I'm going for a walk and then loaded two streets. Have taken a witness and made a video that is timeless termination in the mailbox. with all the keys. Another termination is by registered letter on the way to her.