Is China a very livable place with compromises?
Now I have to ask.
Since I became interested in learning Chinese, I haven't started yet but I am interested, I've been looking around a lot on YouTube and finally here and of course on news sites.
There are some VERY conspicuous party followers or those who are sensationalist and perhaps, as exceptions, also innocently seek clicks, but the more problematic ones are:
Absolutely disgusting. Furthermore, the US only wants Ukraine in a war because Russia will have raw materials for the US after the war. Furthermore, Taiwanese are "sisters and brothers" who would never be attacked, etc., etc.
In short, an American who's clearly immersed in propaganda these days. But he gives better insights into China than nothing at all.
This is why US wants to separate Xinjiang from China, and CIA planned it long ago.
Obviously propaganda.
How Dangerous is China at Night?? || Is China a Chinese citizen? Mixed, but statements like: "Even Elon Musk says what's the point of restricting Twitter/"X", it's no different than here in China. Freedom is a flexible concept," shows that there are at least questionable people.
Then there are people like the well-known xiaoma, who of course doesn't live there but in all his videos he shows an exciting picture of China: modern, foreign but in a positive cultural sense and more.
Where I get hung up are arguments like it's safer there.
I've also read arguments here like "it was safer for certain groups of people in the Stasi."
As macabre as it sounds, as stupid as it sounds, I don't know…
Is there an underlying tone or even a concrete test of the system of enhanced surveillance that, contrary to expectations, leads to:
more security
women can go out at night without worries (mostly of course only)
I don't know if that's the biggest argument.
I think the attraction to China for me is definitely the technology that permeates everything there.
You can say what you want, but unfortunately such dictatorships (and China is definitely one of them) with centralized power also have the potential to boost development.
As wars do, Germany's economic miracle is an example (there are others but I hope this point is clear enough).
So if we deal with data protection differently – I know it's crazy – but differently and more openly, we can integrate technology more quickly into everything.
That would be better.
But that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future, also because democracies (fortunately) are slow.
…so the question is:
Would China be livable under the compromise of ignoring surveillance?
Consciously the subjunctive would be taken.
I don't think I could live there comfortably for more than one holiday.
But the question is important. It concerns the positive aspects, but above all the rapid technological development.
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China is definitely about crime, pretty sure. It is not a danger for women there in general to be on the move at night.
If you are aware of the surveillance and restricted freedom (with regard to freedom of expression and assembly, etc.), it can live very well in China, especially with foreign pay sums.
What speaks for China is that people in China should be very pleasant if you are more like the loose, communicative type. However, it is also possible to live with xenophobia.
China has other problems, especially with real estate, etc. China is – if you are willing to accept surveillance and censorship, definitely a place where you can live.
A very good reference for real China is the Bremerhaven Rapper Scor, who has become a rapper in Chinese in China. It provides a relatively neutral view of the country and fell in love with people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dgnWdbzg_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBR5rEL9yCw
Another view is provided by Laowhy86 and serpetnza, both people who have lived in China for a very long time, but then ultimately left it because of the problematic political situation. These people are not blind China haters, they liked the country and especially the people, but are in the clinch with the party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBiE8Rh6PJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWgqdfAomVI
In places they also have a somewhat exaggerated effect, but they show that China is not a high-tech industrial country, but still an emerging country is on its way to the first world that has to fight with a lot of social inequality.
The truth lies somewhere between wonderful and catastrophic.
Thank you very informative
Have mentioned your videos below in the 2nd comment*
You should definitely travel to China, because the country offers so many interesting things, but I wouldn't call the country worth living anyway.
China is something special, many things are forbidden, but are not punished, eg the use of a VPN or if you are advised in a conflict in whatever form, whether accident or dispute, then you can make life from one day to the other there to hell. The chance of doing something forbidden without intention or being involved in a road accident is also somewhat higher than in Europe. This is not supposed to mean that you can't be problem-free for years in China, but with logic and arguments you can do little there as a foreigner as soon as you have to do with the state, then your visa is simply no longer extended, whether you have a family in China and whether you have built up an existence there. Also hold a form of security, which is unfortunately not currently in China as an expat. I hope that will change in the future. It is also the point that people who have lived in China for a longer time, but also expats who are currently living in China, are most perplexed with China.
I myself had never had any problems with the police or with authorities in China, especially with the police, but even moments when I thought: "This just doesn't make any sense."
But back to more positive things to China, the channel I have linked to you here shows many great insights into China that you wouldn't see from a Western YouTuber about China, it's a Chinese, which uploads videos in English on YouTube with very sympathetic content:
https://www.youtube.com/@littlechineseeverywhere/videos
Learn great success in Chinese
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Great thanks, the channel looks really nice.
So it sounds like China is more beautiful and more readable if the authorities of the state were more human – sounds as if it could happen at some point
You can answer this hypothetical question yourself, because you are going out of assumptions that I are not realistic.
On the subject of monitoring, let me tell you that I don't feel the many cameras here as monitoring.
I'm sure I can see hundreds of monitors every day, but why should I worry?
It is good that the cameras are available, so problems/strengths can be solved more quickly.
The cameras are basically used for crime clarification and on the road for the clarification of traffic offenses – similar to the cameras in our shopping centers or stations.
In addition, we also have cameras in D, everyone has a digital lifetime ID that needs to be specified in all possible things. Authorities are networked, therefore internationally. We also have cameras everywhere. Facial recognition is also included in cameras "made in Germany".
The difference is: In China, that's being tampered.
It is not that I believe that abuse of the information is excluded. No, I'm sure there is – I'm just wondering that the extent should be so much larger than in other countries.
I have been in China for many years and it is undoubtedly worth living.
I also don't like the kind of Cyrus as he does his videos and how he speaks – but that doesn't devalue the content.
Nope. On the one hand, you can watch the video quietly, on the other hand there is also a document "The Xinjiang Problem", which was developed between 1989 and 2003 (the publication). The (main) author is Graham E. Fuller, who was in the CIA for 27 years, until he moved to RAND Corporation in 1988.
The document also describes what actually happened in Xinjiang:
RAND Corporation is a supplier of "idea" and "strategic" for intelligence and intelligence services, including the CIA.
Finally, I would like to recommend the YT channel of Jerry Gray:
https://www.youtube.com/@jerrystakeonchina799
An excellent source of information about the real China.
Even Daniel Dumbrill, I don't want to forget, although he's been making himself very rough lately.
https://www.youtube.com/@DanielDumbrill
From SerpenZA and Laowhy86 I advise you to let your eyes and ears – they truly do not offer you a realistic insight into life in China.
Thank you for your detailed answer. So you're currently living in China? Or in Germany? That was a little unambiguous.
I'm going from you to live in China or currently live.
The contents of cyrus on YouTube are to be devalued.
Simply through statements like the Ukraine "USA forcing other countries into NATO was brought" or as well as all other political statements.
After all, he gives an insight into China and this is the only reason to watch his videos.
To the area question why usa is interested or interested and to limit China's influence…yes there can be the possibility of clearing in. But it still seems as argument for everything that makes usa so the usa would be:
As in Iraq and other places cause chaos as a pretext of democracy for raw materials (or does).
That's nonsense. At least they can no longer talk about the "not like western media" influencers as it is always told by the broken record.
That's why disgusting because the cyrus tells about ukraine.
Ukraine is, of course, absolutely responsible for the war (irony).
I live in China.
is left to you – as I said, I don't like him.
This is a title of his videos, right? How did he explain this in the content?
But, as far as I remember, he's living in Canada, right?
Then take this out – and tell me what Jerry is wrong.
But the sources about the "real china"… are also questionable again.
Do you think anyone involved in state propaganda (also Russia) is that you cannot think rationally and draw conclusions?
Sources and the like I don't is too tired and… even raise honestly.
But this twisting of truths in NATO are forced bs***.
And whoever accepts this "cyrus content is already okay" paraphrases but so your statement – which detests any discretion as lack of credibility.
To the right Chinese impression videos: Daniel dambrill makes straight with first videos on his side clear "serpZA (or how the two are hot) are the biggest China racists"
While these are very impressive show how great racism problem is in China itself. Not all Chinese, of course, but a climate that clearly allows racism from the government "n**" or "wise dogs".
What do I know? The overall impression is this emigrant from China (as well as many news that you see "Phillipine fishermen attacked" , "Uighurs enslaved", "Places only for Chinese"
Just show a catchy picture.
So, on the one hand it won't be the first video – the video is three years old.
On the other hand, it will explain to you when you watch the video.
Daniel also has a lot of discussion videos and especially with people who think differently. SerpenZA, too, was invited – and probably didn't want to give himself the blows.
Is that so? Over the past 13 years, I have not seen any racism problem.
You can take different media with different angles, look at how the angles of view are explained and then form your own opinion.
What doesn't mean I forgot the question of me or the approach in it.
I find it exciting as companies would be safer if it is possible with large amounts of data and yes. To live.
I think we have only one idea of "our computer science" or technology and handling data.
And have cluttered that it's very different. But what can't be easily tried, clutter once a society completely around, deprive a lot of private rights and more.
I find that intertwined and should be considered more.
However, it is clear that the question is always the same: it is not necessarily overriding by the self-democratic government.
I don't know.
Even if the discussion is questionable, I did not want to provoke, not to agree.
The trouble is not worth writing on.
In the video of the "non-real China"Zeigenden, is shown how Chinese signs display before restaurants "no inders/hindus"
How chinese black professional basketballers sneak as they get out of the vus "n* n* get out of china" .
We will not agree that China has no racism problem.
And that China is kindly peaceful too.
Again:
My question was originally that technical progress and possibly rethinking much more merging camera surveillance could possibly make a more lively life.
What are we not going to agree to?
There we won't agree, but that's ok thanks for your impression on every occasion
So cyrus has made this statement in a video even believe the video that I link.
Has counted many points in between and at the end again clarified "but the main issue was that USA forcing countries like Ukraine into NATO (so war with Russia emerged).
Actually, it is not as important that it only shows how many of its statements are problematic, among other things, but these are.
Maybe he's back in Canada. I don't know the previous videos have seen all but two years ago he was there.
At least he still makes noticeably positive talks as videos about "if usa would not engage in Taiwan there would be risk of war absolutely (…) Taiwans are brothers and sisters (….) China will not attack Taiwan"
YouTubers who want to make money with their channel always try to portray themselves to either one or the other way to win the people who either want to see the one or the other extreme, or who are so excited about the people that they comment on the under any video, which is also useful to YouTuber (every interaction counts, already alone for the algorithm). In addition, among YouTubers there are many important subjects (below those you have called are definitely what), who think they know everything and would have respected the truth for themselves.
I don't know, but I think China is definitely worth living. At least I know many who find it worth living there. As in any country, it probably depends on how much money you have. With a low income, China is probably much less beautiful than with a medium or high. As far as multi-cited surveillance is concerned, I don't know, really not. I don't know if there's this one, and if it's like crumble, everyone's saying something else… I just know that I actually do not have a sooo huge problem with surveillance. Even if someone collects my medical data, my Google searches are stored and analyzed in lists, my movement profile is created and my bank transactions are monitored…. yeah, then the surveillance system stops me being a normal, harmless olle. Just to avoid a discussion: I am not for that. I'm just not an idiot to assume that IoT and Co. have already done this in Germany, for example, and that it's a coincidence when certain videos are being proposed to me on YouTube or certain advertising is being played.
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean.
Monitoring such as medical data collects and more (partly with us already the case)
as you describe would be not just a bad thing.
I think there's a lot of positive in it.
But unfortunately it is always necessary to be said in the same breath that there is now no government that does this and you can be sure of bureaucratic hurdles (Germany has also successful data protection laws)
No abuse takes place.
Have now also a clearer impression of more research on how bad the Chinese type of surveillance is.
Was also as clear to me but as I said it is sometimes suggested that would be very good.
The problem in China is then the Stasi similarities are unfortunately obvious.
Policemen who want to travel abroad to push up and find information (thanks to the upper comment with videos).
I'll stay with you.
Learn Chinese and then get deeper what is good is bad can bring a lot.
As I said it seems the system there makes much boost technical development and other areas.
We can't.
A kind of macabre experimental rabbit only one with the entire Chinese population.