Can Zero Drinks Cause Diabetes?

Question

Is my mother-in-law right and Zero Limo can make you diabetic?

I have to say that apart from water, I only drink zero drinks and in my last blood test my fasting insulin values were significantly too high and my blood sugar was quite noticeable.

Can these drinks trigger something like this or is it just your belief and I just have a pre-stage of diabetes

lexy1206 · Answer

Sure, there is no normal sugar in it but artificial sugar and that is even worse than the normal one because it is chemical

roguerouge · Answer

Indirectly. Why do you only write about zero drinks without describing your entire diet?

altersweise · Answer

In my opinion, the sweeteners are not entirely unproblematic and can occasionally promote a tendency towards diabetes.

They give the body the impression that it is receiving sugar, but the drink does not actually provide it, and so the body often compensates for this in other ways.

The only advantage is that the drink is not calorific.

theophilus77326 · Answer

They're mixed with sweetener, which some people don't tolerate well.

themonkfood · Answer

On the one hand, light or zero-calorie drinks can actually promote diabetes. On the other hand, these drinks are better for diabetics than sugar alternatives.

aeroplanus · Answer

No. They're sugar-free. However, sweeteners train your cravings for sweets. So use them sparingly. I find drinks like Coke Zero far too sweet. 40% less would be OK, too.

hessleritcon · Answer

There used to be an opinion that these sweeteners were used in pig fattening and that we shouldn't eat zero and low-fat products as part of a medically supervised change in diet.

We were told that the tongue tastes sugar (Zero) and when none comes you quickly want seconds and more. I know people who drink Zero Coke every day and don't (!) lose weight.

If you suspect something, you should always go to the doctor and have yourself examined.

The interactions with all the substitutes that we shovel into ourselves every day, including Red Bull/Cola, food and sweets, have not really been researched at all.

roguerouge · Answer

Then get checked out and see if you can adopt a ketogenic diet. These zero-calorie drinks alone don't give the full picture.

randomfragen24 · Answer

I have to at the end of the month anyway

pachamamasquaw · Answer

Hello Randomfragen24, 👋

Can Zero Drinks Cause Diabetes?

I think that you are talking about zero drinks

you can't get type 2 diabetes

(= obesity diabetes)

and type 1 diabetes anyway!

Is my mother-in-law right and Zero Limo can make you diabetic?

I think that you are talking about zero drinks

cannot become type 2 diabetic

and type 1 diabetics certainly don't.

I have to say that apart from water, I only drink zero drinks and in my last blood test my fasting insulin levels were significantly too high and my blood sugar was quite noticeable.

Why was your C peptide level determined?

What was the fasting blood sugar level?

Can these drinks trigger something like this or is that just your belief and I just have a pre-stage of diabetes

That depends on your blood sugar levels.

Fasting blood glucose reference values:

< 100 mg/dl = healthy

100-125 mg/dl = prediabetes

(Insulin resistance; precursor to type 2 diabetes)

> 126 mg/dl = type 2 diabetes

~~~~~~~

LG 🙋🏻‍♀️🪶

curasanus · Answer

No.

verreisternutzerbv1uquo4skhlabkfz6v3 · Answer

Not so direct But sweeteners also make you sick and can lead to permanent addiction With kind regards, GK

opipaschulke · Answer

There is strong evidence that regular consumption of sweetened beverages could also promote the development of obesity or type 2 diabetes. It is suspected that sweeteners contribute to a habituation to sweets and thus promote a high-sugar diet. https://taz.de/Foodwatch-zu-Risiken-von-Cola-Zero/ !5496714/#:~:text=But there are clear indications that thereby promote a high-sugar diet.

sarkasie · Answer

Hello!

Zero-calorie drinks, which are often calorie-free and contain artificial sweeteners, usually have no direct impact on the development of diabetes.

Some studies say that artificial sweetener consumption may increase cravings for sweet foods, which may lead to unhealthy eating habits in the long run.

Therefore, you should eat a balanced diet and pay attention to your total intake of sugar and carbohydrates.

High sugar consumption is more likely to be associated with type 2 diabetes, which is often associated with obesity and an unhealthy lifestyle.

Greetings Sarkasie

pachamamasquaw · Answer

No, I won't stop, your incompetent false statements to correct❗️Whether you are interested in this, or not... is completely irrelevant. The main thing is that other readers believe your incompetent false statements not❗️

rapunzel324 · Answer

Here again, diabetes mellitus type 1 > an autoimmune disease, is confused with diabetes mellitus type 2 > a metabolic disease. Poor diet, obesity, and an unhealthy lifestyle are not among the causes of type 1 diabetes mellitus. Therefore, unlike type 2 diabetes mellitus, the disease cannot be treated by changing your diet and lifestyle. Relevance! Everyone should pay attention to a healthy, nutritious diet and moderate exercise to avoid obesity. This applies to non-diabetics, too. Obesity increases the risk of fatty liver, hypertension, heart failure, coronary heart disease, type 2 diabetes mellitus, sleep apnea, etc. It's important to differentiate between a few pounds of excess weight and pathological obesity. Obesity is classified into stages. Stage 4 > Obesity permagna is the most severe form. Several doctors are active at GF. If the respondent is a specialist in internal medicine specializing in diabetology, several statements are incorrect.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

👍 That's exactly how it is. Thank you for correcting the False statements by the employer. Best regards 🙋🏻‍♀️🌹✌️

psychelocks · Answer

Doctors can't make competent recommendations about nutrition for diabetes because they don't learn anything about nutrition. Therefore, the opinions of people who deal with medicine and diabetes as a hobby are at least as valuable. The commenter simply confused type 1 with type 2, anyone with a bit of knowledge would notice that. There's no reason to get so worked up about it.

psychelocks · Answer

To answer the question, one would first have to look at how type 2 diabetes actually develops. The cause of type 2 diabetes is intramyocellular lipids, which primarily come from dietary fats. The main causes of type 1 diabetes are molecular mimicry, which is caused by animal proteins, and beta cell apoptosis, which is caused by saturated fat and animal proteins. I've written long, detailed comments with explanations and studies. The cause of diabetes has nothing to do with sugar. Therefore, there's no reason to avoid sugar. You should avoid fat if you don't want to get diabetes. Insulin resistance develops after just three hours of a high-fat meal. If you eat a high-fat diet for years, your insulin resistance will continue to increase until you start to have problems. Nothing increases insulin resistance more than oil, because the isolated fatty acids are immediately absorbed into the bloodstream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3igKW6bl3FE I don't know much about sweeteners, but 1) regular cola with sugar doesn't cause diabetes because it's fat, not sugar, that causes insulin resistance, and 2) even though sweeteners don't directly raise blood sugar or insulin levels, some websites say they alter the microbiome, which in turn has a negative effect on glucose levels.

psychelocks · Answer

A ketogenic diet increases insulin resistance because you eat only fat, which leads to increased intramyocellular lipids, increases cholesterol levels, and cripples blood vessels. Instead, you should avoid all sources of fat (preferably including animal products) and eat a diet rich in carbohydrates, fiber, and plant proteins. Insulin resistance will completely resolve within a few weeks, and blood levels will return to normal.

roguerouge · Answer

Carbohydrates produce AGEs, which are sometimes responsible for damage to blood vessels.

psychelocks · Answer

Intramyocellular lipids, which primarily come from dietary fats, are the causative agent of insulin resistance. Insulin resistance promotes obesity, fatty liver disease, and cardiovascular disease. It is the dietary fats that lead to insulin resistance, not the sugar. Cholesterol and saturated fatty acids are the causative factors of arteriosclerosis and cardiovascular disease. Excessively high blood sugar levels aren't the only factors that can oxidize blood. Both LDL and HDL cholesterol also oxidize. However, cholesterol can also enter the blood vessel walls without oxidation, for example, through endocytosis. Can you prove that a low-fat diet causes sugar damage? Healthy people who don't have insulin resistance, fatty liver disease, abdominal fat, or a calorie surplus burn all the sugar.

roguerouge · Answer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7132133/

rapunzel324 · Answer

I certainly don't get upset about replies/comments on GF!

Where do you get the authority to claim that diabetologists don't learn anything about nutrition? You should first inform yourself about the WB.

"Nutritional therapy and counseling for diabetes | diabetesDE – German Diabetes Aid" https://www.diabetesde.org/ernaehrungstherapie-beratung-diabetes

psychelocks · Answer

(1/2) If you don't consume sugar, the symptoms disappear, but not the cause (insulin resistance). The positive effects of high-fat diets such as low-carb or ketogenic are due to calorie restriction and/or weight loss. The obese participants apparently only ate 1700 kcal and lost 1 kg in the 6 days. I assume that the positive effects come from this, not from the high-fat diet itself. What would the results have been if they had n't practiced calorie restriction? You can also drink a bottle of oil a day and lose weight, which doesn't mean it's healthy. Can you show a study like this in normal-weight people who don't restrict calories? Regardless of whether the ketogenic diet improves symptoms or not, it inevitably increases cholesterol levels and causes arteriosclerosis. This fat-is-good propaganda comes from the animal products industry and the fitness scene; it's all unscientific nonsense. Intramyocellular lipids, which come mainly from dietary fats, are the causative agent of insulin resistance, as I have explained in detail, and insulin resistance promotes de novo lipogenesis and fatty liver. Not sugar, but cholesterol and fat cause fatty liver: Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease 2002: Figure 2 Panel A : Fatty acids in the liver are normally esterified to triglycerides, some of which are exported from the hepatocytes as very low density lipoproteins (VLDL). The increased content of lipids, mostly in the form of triglycerides, in the hepatocytes of patients with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease is the result of an imbalance between the enzyme systems that promote the uptake and synthesis of fatty acids and the enzyme systems that promote the oxidation and export of fatty acids. Figure 2 Panel B : The hyperinsulinemia resulting from insulin resistance increases fatty acid synthesis (de novo lipogenesis) in the hepatocytes by increasing glycolysis and promotes the accumulation of triglycerides in the hepatocytes by decreasing the hepatic production of apolipoprotein B-100.Dietary habits and their relationships to insulin resistance and postprandial lipemia in nonalcoholic steatohepatitis 2003: The dietary intake of NASH patients was higher in saturated fat and cholesterol. Higher intake of saturated fat and cholesterol is associated with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Journal of Rosenfluh Publications AG: Pathogenesis of the metabolic syndrome: The significance of ectopic fat deposition in liver and skeletal muscle 2005: Fat causes metabolic syndrome. Pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes: tracing the reverse route from cure to cause 2008: Insulin resistance promotes the development of fatty liver disease in the presence of calorie excess. Once insulin resistance is established, increased insulin secretion—necessary to maintain plasma glucose levels—will further exacerbate hepatic fat deposition. Fatty liver disease results in resistance to insulin-induced suppression of hepatic glucose production, as well as elevated plasma triacylglycerol levels. When beta cells are exposed to elevated levels of fatty acids derived from circulating and locally deposited triacylglycerol, glucose-mediated insulin secretion is suppressed. Insulin resistance determines the rate at which fatty liver disease progresses, and ectopic fat deposition in the liver and islet cells underlies the associated dynamic defects of hepatic insulin resistance and beta cell dysfunction. The consumption of a hypercaloric diet rich in saturated fats, in the context of a genetic background, is causally responsible for the development of type 2 diabetes. Nutritional investigation of non-obese patients with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease: the significance of dietary cholesterol 2008: Cholesterol oxidizes and thus regulates receptors that cause the liver to become fatty. Association between dietary nutrient composition and the incidence of cirrhosis or liver cancer in the United States population 2009: Observed on 9,000 people for 13 years: Cholesterol oxidizes in the body, causing toxic and carcinogenic effects. Cholesterol intake is strongly correlated with liver cirrhosis and liver cancer. NLRP3 inflammasomes are required for atherogenesis and activated by cholesterol crystals 2010: Cholesterol causes white blood cells to excrete inflammatory substances.The role of diet and nutrient composition in nonalcoholic fatty liver disease 2011: Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease is the most common liver disease, is closely associated with insulin resistance, is considered a hepatic manifestation of metabolic syndrome, and is the cause of other chronic liver diseases.

psychelocks · Answer

(2/2) Molecular mechanisms and the role of saturated fatty acids in the progression of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease 2012: Saturated fatty acids have been shown to be particularly toxic to the liver cells that cause fatty liver disease. When human liver cells are exposed to plant-based fatty acids, nothing happens. When liver cells are exposed to animal-based fatty acids, one-third of them die. Numerous studies have shown that saturated fatty acids are more toxic than their unsaturated counterparts, leading to a progressive lipotoxic cascade. Fig. 1 : Saturated fatty acids trigger cellular dysfunction in lipotoxicity/NAFLD. Hepatic cholesterol crystals and crown-like structures distinguish NASH from simple steatosis 2013: Free cholesterol accumulates in fatty liver cells, crystallizes there and leads to liver inflammation (hepatitis). The Gordian Knot of dysbiosis, obesity and NAFLD 2013: When you eat fat, you feed the bad bacteria in the gut that promote inflammation and contribute to leaky gut. This activates the innate defense system in the liver and causes liver damage at the cellular level. Figure 2 : Environmental factors such as dietary fat can trigger dysbiosis in non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and increase intestinal permeability. This step leads to the relocation of pathogen-associated molecular patterns such as lipopolysaccharide, which can activate Toll-like receptors on various liver cell populations. Activation of Toll-like receptors on Kupffer cells is thought to trigger inflammation, and activation of Toll-like receptors on stellate liver cells stimulates fibrosis. Non-high-density lipoprotein cholesterol independently predicts new onset of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease 2013: To protect itself from the toxic effects of cholesterol, the body secretes cholesterol into the blood, so measuring non-HDL cholesterol can be used to estimate how fatty the liver is. No patients with non-HDL cholesterol below 130 mg/dL developed non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Increasing Whole Grain Intake as Part of Prevention and Treatment of Nonalcoholic Fatty Liver Disease 2013: Plant-based diets and whole grains (carbohydrates) protect against liver disease. Saturated free fatty acid sodium palmitate-induced lipoapoptosis by targeting glycogen synthase kinase-3β activation in human liver cells 2013: Saturated fatty acids (eg palmitate), which are mainly found in meat and dairy products, are almost universally toxic in cell cultures, while the monounsaturated fatty acids (eg oleate), which are found in olives, nuts or avocados, are either non-toxic or cytoprotective.Cholesterol-induced non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and atherosclerosis aggravated by systemic inflammation 2014: Cholesterol is not only deposited in the arteries, but also in the liver.

psychelocks · Answer

Okay, that wasn't entirely true of me. What I meant was: Doctors don't learn anything about nutrition, and while diabetologists do, they don't know anything about the causes of diabetes, which is why their dietary recommendations are wrong. I've explained in detail how type 2 diabetes and type 1 diabetes actually develop and what can be done about them.

Doctors and diabetologists have a broad range of knowledge. They know what everything in the body is called and how all the mechanisms work, and they're familiar with the everyday problems of diabetes patients. But they have no idea about the core of how the disease actually develops, what preventative measures should be taken, and how it can be reversed. Everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt; it might even be biochemical, scientific nonsense.

roguerouge · Answer

Way too much. Technically, the ketogenic diet does not require you to consume a high amount of fat; you simply need to get into a state where you produce more ketones, which is done by reducing your carbohydrate intake below your personal limit. If fats were so bad, the abstinence from fat over the last few decades would not explain the increase in obesity and lifestyle diseases. I don't trust the food industry, which adds sugar to everything to make a profit and create addiction. Reduced or increased cholesterol intake is compensated by the body by regulating its own cholesterol production. Carbohydrates have a higher insulin response than fats. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/pharmacology/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.783393/full Liver is the primary organ for fructose metabolism, recent studies suggest that excessive fructose intake is a driving force in non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD)

psychelocks · Answer

Cholesterol and fat are clearly the driving force in non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD), as I demonstrated earlier, and insulin resistance causes the liver to convert more sugar into fat. This has nothing to do with sugar per se, but rather with the amount of fat you consume. Such studies don't deal with organically bound fructose from grains, rice, potatoes, or fruit, but with purely isolated fructose, with an excess of fructose, for example, hundreds of grams of isolated fructose. Isolated fructose is indeed converted to triglycerides in the liver, but carbohydrates are not, and probably not white sugar either. No one eats such quantities of isolated fructose. It looks like a fraudulent study to me, because the references only list studies that speak positively about fat, which is scientifically untenable. Referring only to fructose is mechanistic speculation. Plants consist of thousands of components, so the actual health outcomes differ from the individual mechanisms and are always positive. The opposite is true for animal products. They lead to negative health outcomes. High-fat diets such as low-carb or ketogenic diets increase insulin resistance and inevitably lead to higher cholesterol levels, arteriosclerosis, and other problems. A low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet is the only one that can completely reverse all diseases, including arteriosclerosis, without the side effects associated with high-fat diets. The animal product industry has a strong interest in marketing cholesterol, saturated fat, and animal proteins, and in blaming carbohydrates for all diseases. Are carbohydrates converted into fat? De novo lipogenesis (new fatty acid formation): Glycogen storage capacity and de novo lipogenesis during massive carbohydrate overfeeding in man 1988: A study was conducted to see how carbohydrates are used when overfed. The glycogen stores of three male volunteers were depleted before the seven-day carbohydrate overfed period began. Rough figures from the graph : Day 1 : Of 700g of carbohydrates, 400g were burned. Day 2 : Of 800g of carbohydrates, 500g were burned and 100g were converted to fat. Day 3 : Of 850g of carbohydrates, 500g were burned and 200g were converted to fat. Day 4 : Of 850g of carbohydrates, 500g were burned and 250g were converted to fat. Day 5 : Of 900g of carbohydrates, 500g were burned and 450g were converted to fat. Day 6 : Of 900g of carbohydrates, 500g were burned and 450g were converted to fat. Day 7 : Of 1000g of carbohydrates, 500g were burned, and 500g were converted to fat. In a carbohydrate surplus, glycogen stores are increased first before sugar is converted to fat. The body fights with all its might to prevent sugar from being converted to fat and only does so in extreme situations. De novo lipogenesis during controlled overfeeding with sucrose or glucose in lean and obese women 2001: Eight lean and five overweight women received meals that met their daily calorie needs and received 50% additional calories in the form of 27.3% sugar (sucrose or glucose) and 22.7% fat (oils or butter). During the four-day overfeeding, the subjects received 1398g of carbohydrates and burned 1280g, resulting in a carbohydrate balance of 115g. Fat production through de novo lipogenesis was only 4g. Fat intake during this period was 512g, of which 233g was burned, resulting in a total fat balance of 278g for all subjects. "De novo lipogenesis does not contribute significantly to the overall fat balance." (Even after a calorie surplus, sugar hardly contributes to weight gain. Approximately 90-97% of the fat stored in the body is due to fatty acids from food.) Again : Can you prove that people on a low-fat diet who don't have insulin resistance, fatty liver disease, abdominal fat, or a calorie excess develop sugar-related diseases? No, you can't. Such studies don't exist because it's biochemically impossible, as diseases like diabetes, fatty liver disease, obesity, and cardiovascular disease can only develop when fat comes into play.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

The commenter simply confused type 1 with type 2, … NO! A commenter didn't mix anything up!

pachamamasquaw · Answer

Doctors don't learn anything about nutrition, and diabetologists do, but nothing about the causes of diabetes, …

So… but you're the only one in the world who knows the causes of type 2 and, of course, type 1 diabetes, right?🤣💦

…that's why their nutritional recommendations are wrong.

Oh yeah… they must be wrong too, since you're the only one in the world who knows the right nutritional recommendations.🤣💦

I have explained in detail how type 2 diabetes and type 1 diabetes really develop and what can be done about them.

I just read all of this and
what you write about type 1 diabetes,
is 👉WRONG❗️

Btw: There is nothing you can do about type 1 diabetes – apart from insulin therapy❗️

Or do you also want to make us believe

that you are the only person in this world

could cure type 1 diabetes❓😂🤣💦

Doctors and diabetologists have a broad range of knowledge. They know what everything in the body is called and how all the mechanisms work. They are familiar with the everyday problems of diabetes patients, but at the core, they know how the disease actually develops, what can be done preventively, and how it can be reversed…

Exactly❗️Now all that's missing is that you

supposedly know how type 1 diabetes

regresses…😂😹😂🤣🤣💦💦

They have no idea about that.

But YOU have a lot more knowledge, nh⁉️

Everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt, if not outright biochemical, scientific nonsense.

Claaaaaaaaarrrrr😹😹😹

psychelocks · Answer

So... but you're the only one in the world who knows the causes of type 2 and, of course, type 1 diabetes, right?🤣💦 Yes, I know more than any carnistic "expert" when it comes to the causes of disease. I've explained in detail why that is. They have a broad knowledge base, no one denies that, but fundamentally they have no clue. They don't learn anything about nutrition in college. I just read all of that and what you wrote about type 1 diabetes is 👉WRONG❗️ Then please explain to us how type 1 diabetes develops and why my statements and studies are wrong. As a type 1 diabetic, you can eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet, which means you need significantly less insulin. After all, type 1 diabetics can also develop insulin resistance due to fat, just like type 2 diabetics. The more fat you eat, the higher your blood sugar and insulin levels will rise, as you can clearly see from this graphic or this video. You can also test this yourself with a glucose meter, assuming you're healthy and don't have any existing insulin resistance; otherwise, it will naturally skyrocket. To reverse your insulin resistance, which type 1 diabetics can also do, you need to eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate, high-fiber, and high-protein diet. In the beginning, it's important to avoid all fat completely, increase carbohydrates slowly, and eat plenty of fiber and protein so that it enters the bloodstream more slowly. Fiber also forms fatty acids in the intestines that produce GLP-1. This is why oat days are so effective against diabetes. In addition, animal proteins continue to trigger autoimmune reactions, leading to the development of further autoimmune diseases in the worst case scenario. Therefore, a vegan and low-fat diet is absolutely essential. Appeal to Incredibility Fallacy: Information is rejected due to a lack of, incomplete, or faulty understanding. "I don't believe X can be true, therefore X must be false." But YOU have a lot more knowledge, nh⁉️ Yes, definitely. I would rate their epistemic level as very low.

roguerouge · Answer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5174139/ Feel free to form your own opinion about the extent to which carbohydrates contribute to obesity, lifestyle diseases, and insulin resistance, as eager as you are to leave lengthy comments.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

As a type 1 diabetic, you can eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet, which means you need significantly less insulin,

Total nonsense❗️At this completely

incompetent claim I notice,

that you suffer from type 1 diabetes and

Effect of carbohydrates on blood sugar

👉HAVE NO IDEA.

If you are a type 1

carbohydrate-rich diet, you need

of course 👉 MORE INSULIN❗️

The fewer carbohydrates, the less insulin!

So EXACTLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND❗️😂😹🤣💦

Finally, type 1 diabetics can also develop insulin resistance due to fat, just like type 2 diabetics.

Yes, that's true for once!😂

Type 1 diabetes would then have

case of “double diabetes”.

The more fat, the higher blood sugar and insulin levels rise,…

Nonsense, it's exactly the other way around:

👉In type 1 patients, blood sugar levels rise

slower due to lots of fat!

And fat alone increases blood sugar

not at all. Therefore,

You don't need insulin for fat either.🥳

pachamamasquaw · Answer

By the way, I've known this video from Delgado for a long time... totally stupid!🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

psychelocks · Answer

Appeal to Incredibility Fallacy: Information is rejected due to a lack of, incomplete, or faulty understanding. "I don't believe X can be true, therefore X must be false." Because you keep repeating the same nonsense, I have to repeat myself: Such studies don't focus on organically bound fructose from grains, rice, potatoes, or fruit, but rather on purely isolated fructose and a fructose excess, eg, hundreds of grams of isolated fructose. Isolated fructose—as the only exception—is actually converted to triglycerides in the liver, and in a calorie surplus, carbohydrates are partially converted to fat. This fat, in turn, promotes intramyocellular lipids and insulin resistance. However, the main cause of intramyocellular lipids is dietary fat, and my linked studies have proven this. Referring only to fructose is mechanistic speculation . Plants consist of thousands of compounds, so the actual health outcomes differ from the individual mechanisms and are always positive. Sugar increases insulin sensitivity, which is why blood sugar levels drop faster after a low-fat, high-carbohydrate meal than after a high-fat, low-carbohydrate meal, as shown in this graph. Only when you eat a lot of fat do you lose the ability to properly metabolize carbohydrates. Again : Can you prove that people on a low-fat diet who do not have insulin resistance, fatty liver disease, abdominal fat, or a calorie surplus develop sugar-related diseases?

psychelocks · Answer

No criticism of the content. If you don't know anything, then stop spreading more misinformation that's dangerous for diabetics who need help. I've linked to studies that show the effects of a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet. I'm talking about facts, not opinions. You're just clueless because you've never heard of anything like this before.

roguerouge · Answer

I look at the past few decades, where obesity, lifestyle diseases, and insulin resistance have exploded, and carbohydrate consumption has been driven ever higher. If you think the food industry has your best interests at heart, keep eating what you think will help you.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

You're the one who has no clue and is spreading misinformation here...not me!

psychelocks · Answer

Yes, because fat can kill beta cells even in adults. At around age 20, people reach their maximum number of beta cells. If they are destroyed, no new ones will grow. And even in adults, animal proteins can trigger molecular mimicry, leading to the development of autoimmune diseases.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

the effects of a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet.

A carbohydrate-rich diet

= High-carb is bad & counterproductive

for diabetics. Much better is a

👉Low-carb diet!

I'm talking about facts, not opinions.

Oh yeah? I don't think so.

You're just clueless because you've never heard of anything like this before.

Ridiculous…don't talk nonsense!

You don't even know that type 1

For more carbs you also need more insulin… 😂

You just want to spread your fanatical and incompetent vegan ideology. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

psychelocks · Answer

What you're spreading here is pure propaganda. Animal products and oils have also increased significantly. This is the real reason why diseases like diabetes and obesity are increasing year after year, as the graphs show: Graphic: China and America 1980-2010: The diabetes rate in China rose from 0.6% to 2% from 1980 to 1990, from 2% to 5% from 1990 to 2000, and from 5% to 11.5% from 2000 to 2010. Sugar consumption remained low throughout the entire period: 50 to 66 kcal per day. The diabetes rate in America remained at 2.4% from 1980 to 1990, rose from 2.4% to 4% from 1990 to 2000, and from 4% to 7% from 2000 to 2010. Sugar consumption remained high throughout the entire period: 550 to 650 kcal per day. Despite consuming 10 times more sugar, America had fewer cases of diabetes than China, which has a lower sugar consumption. It can be assumed that China has had a higher fat consumption since its Americanization around 1980, which is why diabetes cases are rising faster. Graphic: Some fat sources declined, while lard and oils boomed in 1960 and oils increased significantly. Graphic: Total fat consumption has been rising since 1910. Some sources of fat declined, while lard and oils boomed in 1960 and oils increased significantly. Graphic: Total fat consumption has been rising since 1970. Some sources of fat declined, while lard and oils boomed and oils increased significantly. Graphic: Oil consumption rose exponentially from 1909 onwards. Some fat sources declined, while oils boomed and increased significantly in 1960. Graphic: Obesity in the US has been rising since 1980. Although sugar consumption declined sharply from 1999 onwards, obesity continued to rise.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

That's just a theory you made up... so ridiculous...

psychelocks · Answer

Nothing is invented. The long lifespan and low turnover of human islet beta cells estimated by mathematical modeling of lipofuscin accumulation 2009: After about 20 years, we already have all the insulin-producing beta cells in our pancreas. If we lose them, they may be gone forever. I've proven every statement I make with countless studies. You, on the other hand, only share your superficial, unreflective, clueless opinions. Appeal to Incredibility Fallacy: Information is rejected due to a lack of, incomplete, or faulty understanding. "I don't believe X can be true, therefore X must be false."

sarkasie · Answer

Hello Rapunzel324!

You can also talk to me…

Here again, diabetes mellitus type 1 > an autoimmune disease, is confused with diabetes mellitus type 2 > a metabolic disease.

So I just checked my answer again. I actually made a stupid typo!

Here in this sentence: "High sugar consumption is more likely to be associated with type 1 diabetes, which is often associated with obesity and an unhealthy lifestyle."

Instead of calling it type 2 diabetes ❗❗

This, of course, annoys me tremendously and is also very unpleasant . It wouldn't have happened to me in the non- virtual world.

That's a typo❗ No excuse!!!

I'm only writing here on an old cell phone because it once belonged to a special person. Every now and then, my finger accidentally touches the adjacent keypad. I wasn't paying attention when sending my reply. Usually, another great ad pops up right afterward…

I ignored PachamamaSquaw's comment this time because almost everything I had said before was wrong.

Now I can't edit the answer like others here. I think that's only possible at a higher level.

In my opinion, my addition would also be overlooked by everyone because it ends up right at the bottom after the other comments. I already have a problem here: this speech bubble has to be typed out. Then this…

Poor diet, obesity, and an unhealthy lifestyle are not among the causes of type 1 diabetes mellitus. Therefore, unlike type 2 diabetes mellitus, the disease cannot be treated by changing your diet and lifestyle.

Still very interesting to read:

"Overweight and obesity in people with type 1 diabetes are almost as high as in the general population"

Overweight and obesity in people with type 1 diabetes are nearly the same as the general population

Further details:

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/979310

Also in focus are children of mothers who have DMT1. Researchers have shown from studies that the risk of obesity and insulin resistance is significantly increased.

Associations of maternal type 1 diabetes with childhood adiposity and metabolic health in the offspring: a prospective cohort studyArticlePublished: 14 July 2018Volume 61, pages 2319–2332, (2018)

It would therefore be advisable for doctors not to forget this connection and to pay attention to corresponding warning signs in affected children at an early stage.

Those who are genetically predisposed to being overweight as children also have an increased risk of DMT1. Apparently, it's due to belly fat.

The biggest problem for type 1 diabetes is insulin injections. This breaks down carbohydrates. Too few carbohydrates mean that the body reacts with hunger before hypoglycemia occurs.

My child measures her blood sugar and injects insulin according to a schedule. Her blood sugar is only reduced to 135, and the rest is eliminated through exercise. The insulin pump can't handle it.

The problem is the type 2 diabetic, who usually gets his diabetes because of being overweight.

The fact that type 1 diabetics increasingly struggle with insulin resistance is a sign of the development of type 2 diabetes. This is obesity.

Most people don't know the difference.

Part 2 follows immediately 😉

sarkasie · Answer

Here is part 2:

Obesity increases the risk of fatty liver, hypertension, heart failure, coronary heart disease, type 2 diabetes mellitus, sleep apnea, etc.

I am very aware of this!!

It's important to differentiate between a few pounds of excess weight and pathological obesity. Obesity is classified into stages. Stage 4 > Obesity permagna is the most severe form.

I know the classification of the grades. And grade 4 is the worst, just like with other diseases, like heart failure! Furthermore, grade 4 is very rare! We don't need to talk about the symptoms.

Relevance! Everyone should pay attention to a healthy, nutritious diet and moderate exercise to avoid obesity. This applies to non-diabetics, too.

That's correct!

But caution should be taken with type 1 diabetics. Compared to non-diabetics, they have an almost twice as high risk of fractures from sports accidents or unfortunate falls in everyday life.

"A healthy and balanced diet is the basis of treatment for type 1 diabetes. Physical activity is an essential part of diabetes treatment and helps to lose and maintain a normal weight. Exercise also makes cells more sensitive to insulin. Insulin, a healthy diet, and moderate exercise are considered the most important factors for lowering blood sugar. Alcohol also lowers blood sugar and, in large quantities, can even lead to hypoglycemia."

https://www.tk.de/techniker/ Disease-und-treatments/ diseases/treatments-und-medicine/diabetes/treatment-von-diabetes-mellitus-typ-1-2013710

As can be found in other sources.

Because people often ask, where can I find it?

It should be noted that people with type 1 diabetes have a high risk of developing other autoimmune diseases. The risk increases with age…

I will respond to RayAnderson, sunnymarie32 and PsycheLocks today and not play dead.

Would it be possible to correct my mistake? This is very important to me! I would be very grateful!

Kind regards! Sarcasm

sarkasie · Answer

Hello PsycheLocks! If I may interfere ;) It's true that doctors often don't learn as much about nutrition during their training as they might like. Nevertheless, they have a solid foundation in medical science and can provide valuable recommendations, especially if they specialize in diabetes. A balanced diet and regular exercise are important for everyone, including people with type 1 diabetes! These aspects help to better control blood sugar and promote overall health. If you have questions about nutrition, it is advisable to contact professionals such as nutritionists who can give you individual recommendations. However, for doctors who spend all day treating patients with health conditions, it is almost impossible to read all the important studies in their field. In order to make it easier for them and other healthcare professionals to keep track of the current study situation and to help them derive scientifically sound treatment recommendations, scientific societies regularly publish so-called guidelines: https://www.accu-chek.de/ratgeber-diabetes/leitlinie-diabetes-typ-1 So, if I don't write anything else like Accc-check or the health insurance companies, then that's a bad joke! If my statements here are repeatedly viewed critically, even though they are always based on sound scientific findings, then I don't feel comfortable here. No matter what the topic. When I read from experts, such as on the nurses' platform: Why am I shivering even though I'm not cold? The FS once researched it online. There, he came to the conclusion that it could be low blood pressure. Could that really be it? I could leave this question hanging in the air. But I know the answer perfectly well, because I don't have any hobby knowledge or Google knowledge. Kind regards! Sarcasm

rapunzel324 · Answer

Here is some relevant information regarding insulin resistance:

"Recognizing Insulin Resistance – Causes & Symptoms | Bioscientia | Laboratory Diagnostics" https://www.bioscientia.de/service/gesundheitsthemen/insulin Resistance-erkennen/

You write here that you would still respond to Ray Anderson etc.

Here at GF there was an excellent specialist in toxicology and pharmacology > GabHH. She deactivated her account because she was repeatedly attacked by medical laypeople.

Her answers may be of interest to you, eg:

rapunzel324 · Answer

If you are interested, you can read some of my answers regarding nutrition and obesity:

psychelocks · Answer

Carnistic diabetologists and nutritionists cannot provide competent, valuable nutritional advice. This is a contradiction in terms.

Diabetes isn't caused by obesity. Obesity contributes to diabetes, but it's not the cause. Why does everyone ignore the cause? The most important factor is still the amount of fat in the diet.

Exercise is not the key to fighting diabetes. A low-fat diet is the key to fighting diabetes, by a wide margin.

The guidelines are wrong.

sarkasie · Answer

Thank you very much for your feedback:)

I'll take a look at the links later. Thanks for that.

My daughter is now able to live quite well with her illness. She now lives more in a shared apartment than at home with me. I'm sending her the links, too 🙂

Is there a way to rewrite 1 > 2?

sarkasie · Answer

Still, everyone needs to exercise and eat a balanced diet! Or are you a rubber doll who doesn't need to eat? If you rest, you rust, if you can understand that ;)

psychelocks · Answer

The information on insulin resistance is incorrect. I have already explained in detail how insulin resistance actually develops. Please correct me.

psychelocks · Answer

Rapunzel324's information on insulin resistance is incorrect. I've already explained in detail how insulin resistance actually develops, at least in terms of its causes.

sarkasie · Answer

I'm more busy scrolling than reading, already over 38 comments 😵‍💫 Tomorrow is a better day 😉

pachamamasquaw · Answer

Those who are genetically predisposed to being overweight as children also have an increased risk of DMT1. Apparently, it's due to belly fat. WRONG❗️

sarkasie · Answer

👇 https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002362

pachamamasquaw · Answer

It is a HYPOTHESIS!

nimi90 · Answer

Please stop this unspeakable bashing. It's certainly not our job to imagine what everyday life is like for every patient. The fact that doctors don't know what preventative measures should be taken is simply ignorance on your part.

Our main task is prevention, diagnosis and therapy – the definition of the medical profession also states nothing else.

I'd be happy to invite you to my practice sometime—it won't be spectacular, but that's okay. I'd also be happy to put you up with a colleague, whom you can shadow all day long—so you can get an idea of what the job is like.

sarkasie · Answer

UNDERSTOOD!

You should have read the whole article that this HYPOTHESIS has been tested ❗

👉 Conclusions

This study provides genetic evidence for an association between childhood obesity and the risk of type 1 diabetes. Together with evidence from observational studies, our results underscore the importance of interventions to curb the global childhood obesity epidemic and encourage mechanistic studies.

psychelocks · Answer

Doctors don't know what to do preventively against diet-related diseases like cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, fatty liver disease, Alzheimer's, autoimmune diseases, osteoporosis, and kidney disease because they learn nothing about nutrition except false, outdated, biased, carnistic, and speciesist knowledge. Carnistic "experts" learn and spread misinformation, as explained in this video from 8:50 to 11:03 by Dr. Melanie Joy.

A doctor's job is to treat the symptoms with medications, therapies, and surgeries—all the things that make money in medicine—but never the cause. That's why nutrition isn't taught at all. Nutrition doesn't make money. That's just how our healthcare system works.

Doctors want to help, but they learn the wrong things because they're part of the carnistic system. They don't continue their education, or they deny everything that contradicts what they've learned. That's not a good attitude. That's why we need people like me, who can provide information that no doctor can.

nimi90 · Answer

What a truly stupid argument. Because we (can) earn soooo much money from patients… What we get for someone with statutory insurance is a joke. You can earn money, but then the patient has to be private.

Stay with your social psychologist. And please, don't visit her office anymore.
Any practice can safely do without a patient like you.

psychelocks · Answer

Chronically ill patients with public insurance don't bring in any money? So how does a doctor earn money? Either way, it doesn't change my main points: Doctors don't learn anything about nutrition and the causes of disease because they're part of the carnistic system and don't pursue further education.

nimi90 · Answer

Frankly, I earn money from my private patients.
What statutory health insurance patients generate is not sustainable for a practice and is uneconomical.
And yet they are treated – even if you have to pay extra.
But apart from that:

Who cares about this consumer psychology?

psychelocks · Answer

Consumer psychology? Carnism is the ideology of non-vegans and a system that promotes carnistic misinformation. This also applies to all major social institutions such as government, education, medicine, and the judiciary.

vegani96 · Answer

Unfortunately, you are wrong here. A low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet can reduce insulin requirements and increase the KI ratio.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

No, I'm not wrong at all.

Lots of carbohydrates = lots of insulin!

The more carbohydrates I eat, the more insulin I (and EVERY type 1 diabetic) have to inject or bolus!

Non-diabetics also need
lots of carbs ==> lots of insulin.

How many times do I have to tell you this?

pachamamasquaw · Answer

This is the real reason why diseases like diabetes and obesity are increasing year after year… You should at least mention from which diabetes disease (diabetes type), you even speak, because diet and lifestyle has type 1 diabetes NOTHING TO DO AT ALL❗️

psychelocks · Answer

Diet has a lot to do with type 1 diabetes.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

I meant of course the 👉cause of type 1 diabetes. The cause of the autoimmune disease Type 1 diabetes has to be done with nutrition nothing to do at all.

psychelocks · Answer

Diet has a lot to do with the cause of type 1 diabetes.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

NO….Nonsense! Do you think that if you eat a super healthy, vegan, and low-fat diet, you can't get type 1 diabetes? Wrong thought!

psychelocks · Answer

I've had studies show that animal proteins and saturated fatty acids destroy beta cells and that insulin resistance is causally caused by fat. Can you provide studies that refute my claims? Can you explain why the incidence of autoimmune diseases is rising so sharply? Can you name the mechanisms behind this, or is there no cause and it's all down to chance and genes? Can you conclusively refute my claims? You can't simply reject, deny, and dismiss all the information as false because you don't want to accept it and can't understand it. None of you have provided sources, only I have. This is only a fraction of all the studies available on this. Read up on them, or read the studies if you want to know more biochemical details. But I find the way you deny everything I say extremely unprofessional and your arguments weak. This also applies to your irresponsible statements about cholesterol.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

Can't you even answer one of my questions? I had shown studies that animal proteins and saturated fatty acids destroy beta cells WRONG❗️This applies to type 1 diabetes not at all❗️ and that insulin resistance is causally caused by fat. But type 1 diabetes actually develops not caused by insulin resistance and Type 1 diabetics also have no Insulin resistance❗️❗️❗️ Can you show studies that refute my statements? I am not obliged to To refute false information❗️

psychelocks · Answer

One false statement after another. These topics aren't as simple as you'd imagine, so you have to go into more detail and present the facts clearly so that people can understand them. No, vegans who eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet would most likely not develop autoimmune diseases such as type 1 diabetes if they do not consume animal proteins and only small amounts of saturated fat. Dr. John McDougall on autoimmune diseases (with a focus on multiple sclerosis, arthritis, and lupus): "Arthritis is neither a hereditary disease nor an inevitable part of aging. There are causes for these joint problems, and they lie in our environment. Our closest contact with our environment is our food. Some researchers believe that rheumatoid arthritis did not exist anywhere in the world before 1800 ( 1 ). It is well documented that these forms of arthritis were once rare to non-existent in rural populations in Asia and Africa ( 2 , 3 , 4 ). As recently as 1957, no case of rheumatoid arthritis was discovered in Africa . At that time, people in Africa still ate a diet of grains and vegetables causes inflammatory arthritis are complex and poorly understood, but they affect our gut and immune system." It's possible to develop an autoimmune disease even without animal proteins and saturated fatty acids. For example, through vaccinations, probably due to the animal amino acids they contain, or perhaps through certain viruses and bacteria, but the main factor is diet. Intestinal diseases increase the risk of autoimmune diseases, but these are mainly caused by fat, cholesterol, bad gut bacteria, and alcohol. Furthermore, the bad genes of non-vegan parents are passed on to their children (epigenetics), so it can take dozens of generations for the genes to return to normal. Since autoimmune diseases were virtually non-existent in the past, it's safe to assume that vegans who eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet will not develop autoimmune diseases, or the likelihood will be greatly reduced. Type 1 diabetes is caused by poor nutrition. The research is clear. If not as an adult or child, then as a fetus in the womb. I never claimed that insulin resistance is the cause of type 1 diabetes. Type 1 diabetics can certainly develop insulin resistance from fat, just like type 2 diabetics, and should eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate, vegan diet. Otherwise, in the worst case scenario, other autoimmune diseases can develop. You can't refute anything because you have no idea about the underlying causes. What you're both doing against me here has nothing to do with scientific work. If I'm wrong, it should be pretty easy to refute me, right? I'm only interested in the truth and I adapt to better arguments.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

No, vegans who eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet would most likely not develop autoimmune diseases such as type 1 diabetes if they do not consume animal proteins and only small amounts of saturated fat. That's complete nonsense❗️ Even vegans who eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet can still get type 1 diabetes, because type 1 diabetes has nothing to do with diet❗️ Dr. John McDougall on autoimmune diseases... blah... blah... blah... Everything is completely irrelevant❗️ Type 1 diabetes is caused by poor diet. NO❗️Type 1 diabetes develops 👉NOT through poor nutrition‼️ You're on the wrong track! The study results are clear. NO, that's a flat-out lie❗️ Type 1 diabetics can very well develop insulin resistance… That's not what it's about at all❗️ You can't refuse anything, Firstly, it is not my job to refute your incompetent false statements‼️And secondly, that is not even possible, since the causes are still being researched❗️Previous viral infections, eg with the Coxsackie virus, rubella, etc. are suspected... You can read about it if you're interested! You'll have to do the research yourself; I won't do it for you. because you have no idea about the causes. I have been dealing with my illness for 18 years… and you? As I said, the causes are still being researched! But not towards diet as the cause! I am only interested in the truth and adapt to better arguments. Oh yeah? And why don't you finally get some proper and serious information❓❓

rayanderson · Answer

Who cares about this consumer psychology?

I suspect only a fanatical vegan could think of this.

Veganism is known to be an ideology. Vegans don't like that. Victim blaming is already being attempted.

Playing around with terms that officially don't even exist is something I've only ever seen from radical Greens. After the gender madness, now a new attempt to divide society.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

You haven't proven anything! In type 1 diabetes, the islets of Langerhans are NOT destroyed by fat, but by the body's own immune system... after/during an infection with, for example, the Coxsackie virus, etc. The cause of type 1 diabetes has nothing to do with diet. You have the disease DMType1 👉ZERO idea.

psychelocks · Answer

I have completely refuted your statements, proven all my statements, shown studies, explained mechanisms, all scientifically, biochemically correct. Everything is exactly as I explained.

psychelocks · Answer

I've explained how type 1 diabetes actually develops. Intact animal amino acids, which primarily enter the bloodstream through a permeable intestinal wall, can trigger molecular mimicry. Independently of this, saturated fatty acids have a toxic effect on our beta cells and cause beta cell apoptosis. These are two mechanisms that have been clearly proven. In addition, type 1 diabetics develop insulin resistance when they eat a high-fat diet, which leads to them needing more insulin, which has been causally proven.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

I have completely refuted your statements, No , you have not refuted ANYTHING AT ALL❗️ All my statements proven, studies shown, mechanisms explained, everything scientific, biochemically correct. Nope, ALL NONSENSE❗️❗️ Everything is exactly as I explained. No , it is 👉NOT ❗️❗️ I have explained how type 1 diabetes really develops. Your explanations are ALL wrong‼️ Intact animal amino acids, which primarily enter the bloodstream through a permeable intestinal wall, can trigger molecular mimicry, and independently of this, saturated fatty acids have a toxic effect on our beta cells and cause beta cell apoptosis. These are two mechanisms that have been clearly demonstrated. That may be true,👉 but ANYTHING AT ALL NOTHING with type 1 diabetes to do‼️

psychelocks · Answer

I have shown dozens of studies and proven all my statements. I explained how type 1 diabetes actually develops in parts 2 and 3. Intact animal amino acids, which primarily enter the bloodstream through a permeable intestinal wall, can trigger molecular mimicry, and independently of this, saturated fatty acids have a toxic effect on our beta cells and cause beta cell apoptosis. These are two mechanisms that have been clearly proven. In addition, type 1 diabetics develop insulin resistance when they eat a high-fat diet, which leads to them needing more insulin, which has been causally proven.

rapunzel324 · Answer

I admire your patience! A discussion here is pointless, as the user fundamentally insists on his rights. You're talking to a brick wall. You've certainly read the comments from nimi 90 > an excellent specialist. Because of this, my last comment in this thread to YOU: Causes of Diabetes Mellitus Type I > Destruction of the B cells of the islets of Langerhans by an autoimmune mechanism, as a result of > genetic predisposition, exogenous viral infections. Causes of type II diabetes mellitus > reduced insulin secretion or reduced insulin resistance as a result of > genetic predisposition, exogenous factors such as obesity, etc. The precursor to manifest type II diabetes is often the metabolic syndrome > arterial hypertension, hyperlipropoteinemia, trunk-predominant obesity. In general, it should also be mentioned > acute or chronic pancreatitis, history of pancreatic resection, hemochromatosis, endocrinological diseases > Cushing's disease, pheochromocytoma, glucagonoma, medications > glucocorticoids, thiazide diuretics. Malnutrition - Diabetes > Special form due to malnutrition, either with fibrocalculous pancreatitis or protein deficiency. LG

pachamamasquaw · Answer

I explained how type 1 diabetes really develops in parts 2 and 3. But your explanations are👉WRONG. Even if you still 1,000,000 times you write here: they are and remain 👉WRONG❗️ Intact animal amino acids, which primarily enter the bloodstream through a permeable intestinal wall, can trigger molecular mimicry, and independently of this, saturated fatty acids have a toxic effect on our beta cells and cause beta cell apoptosis. These are two mechanisms that have been clearly demonstrated. I don't know why you you constantly tell us everything here, but with type 1 diabetes, the NOTHING AT ALL TO DO‼️

psychelocks · Answer

That's complete nonsense❗️ Even vegans who eat a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet can still get type 1 diabetes, because type 1 diabetes has nothing to do with diet❗️ First, type 1 diabetes is primarily related to diet. Second, the claim that vegans who eat a low-fat diet develop just as many autoimmune diseases is a claim you'll have to prove first. It's more likely the opposite is true. Everything is completely irrelevant❗️ Dr. John McDougall's statements are not irrelevant, but rather very telling: The development of autoimmune diseases cannot be explained by viruses or genes, but must have something to do with diet, because people who previously had no problems suddenly develop autoimmune diseases when they emigrate to more developed countries. This fact supports my statements and studies on the causes of type 1 diabetes. NO❗️Type 1 diabetes is 👉NOT caused by poor diet‼️You're on the wrong track! I explained how type 1 diabetes actually develops in parts 2 and 3. Intact animal amino acids, which primarily enter the bloodstream through a permeable intestinal wall, can trigger molecular mimicry, and independently of this, saturated fatty acids have a toxic effect on our beta cells and cause beta cell apoptosis. These are two mechanisms that have been clearly proven. In addition, type 1 diabetics develop insulin resistance when they eat a high-fat diet, which leads to them needing more insulin, which has been scientifically proven to be causal. Firstly, it is not my job to refute your incompetent false statements‼️And secondly, that is not even possible, since the causes are still being researched You can read about it if you're interested! You'll have to do the research yourself; I won't do it for you. You have to prove your statements, just as I prove mine. Unlike your statements, mine are scientifically and biochemically correct, and not pseudoscience. ❗️Previous viral infections are suspected, eg with the Coxsackie virus, rubella, etc. Can you prove that it's the main cause of autoimmune diseases? Why do you rule out that animal products have anything to do with it? Please explain. I have been dealing with my illness for 18 years… and you? You can study the disease for 100 years and be a five-time professor and doctor, and I'll still refuse you because you're learning the wrong things and getting your information from the wrong sources. Watch the Carnism video from 8:50 to 11:03. Oh yeah? And why don't you finally get some proper and serious information❓❓ What does “correct and reputable” mean? Information from official, carnistic sources? Appeal to Authority Fallacy : Premise 1: Person or source A is an authority on topic X. Premise 2: Person or source A makes claim C about topic X. Conclusion: Therefore, statement C is true. No matter how reputable a source is, the information can still be incorrect. Authority doesn't necessarily imply accuracy, so it's a logical fallacy. It's strange that I can show countless sources and explain everything in detail, while you can't, and yet you deny everything I say. I can tell you why: Appeal to Incredibility Fallacy : Information is denied due to a lack of, incomplete, or faulty understanding. "I can't imagine X being true, therefore X must be false!" You're going around in circles.

psychelocks · Answer

Why should my statements be wrong? Please explain and provide evidence for your claims. Type 1 is an autoimmune disease, and animal proteins cause autoimmune reactions. Got it?

psychelocks · Answer

I should be admired for my patience in the face of so much non-scientific misinformation. You 're talking to a brick wall. nimi90 hasn't mentioned anything on the topic. Appeal to Authority Fallacy : Premise 1: Person or source A is an authority on topic X. Premise 2: Person or source A makes claim C about topic X. Conclusion: Therefore, statement C is true. No matter what title he has, his information can still be wrong because authority does not imply correctness, so this argument is a logical fallacy. Causes of Diabetes Mellitus Type I > Destruction of the B cells of the islets of Langerhans by an autoimmune mechanism, as a result of > genetic predisposition, exogenous viral infections. Causes of type II diabetes mellitus > reduced insulin secretion or reduced insulin resistance as a result of > genetic predisposition, exogenous factors such as obesity, etc. The precursor to manifest type II diabetes is often the metabolic syndrome > arterial hypertension, hyperlipropoteinemia, trunk-predominant obesity. There doesn't have to be a genetic predisposition; it's purely epigenetic. Viruses are not the primary cause of autoimmune diseases. Animal amino acids cause molecular mimicry, and saturated fatty acids also destroy beta cells. I explained in detail how type 2 diabetes is scientifically proven to be caused by fat. The rest are symptoms, which, by the way, are also all caused by fat, and not the primary cause. I find it irresponsible to talk about "causes" here. further education.

rapunzel324 · Answer

I saw your comment by chance. I'm no longer seeing your comments. Because of this, I'm no longer discussing with you or commenting. As far as I remember, I wrote to you about this before. Please find other discussion partners. You've come to the wrong place! By the way, I've already completed the five-year training course, which is certainly not of interest to you! All the best for your future!

psychelocks · Answer

I've clearly proven how type 2 diabetes and type 1 diabetes develop, so what's your problem? If you think it's wrong, then you have to be able to provide studies and explain the mechanisms. If you can't do that, then your criticism of me is completely worthless, quite simply.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

You have 👉NOTHING PROVEN!

psychelocks · Answer

I've clearly proven how type 2 diabetes and type 1 diabetes develop, with countless studies. I've explained the mechanisms, I've explained everything in detail, everything scientifically, biochemically correctly. And you're just talking nonsense and can't prove anything, can't criticize anything substantively. You can't do anything.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

Type 1 is an autoimmune disease No, type 1 diabetes is a Autoimmune disease. and animal proteins cause autoimmune reactions. This is not the case with type 1 diabetes❗️ We're talking 👉ONLY! about type 1 diabetes and not from any other Autoimmune diseases‼️ Buckled up now?

psychelocks · Answer

Type 1 diabetes is caused by mimicry by animal proteins, so that the antibodies recognize and destroy not only the animal amino acids but also the beta cells as enemies, and saturated fatty acids can also destroy the beta cells. Type 2 diabetes is caused by insulin resistance caused by intramyocellular lipids, which in turn come from dietary fats. Type 1 diabetics also develop insulin resistance due to fat. Buckled up now?

pachamamasquaw · Answer

You're twisting all the facts! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NOTHING AT ALL KNOWLEDGE AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL‼️😂🤣💦

pachamamasquaw · Answer

Complete nonsense‼️

sarkasie · Answer

The commenter just confused type 1 with type 2, anyone with a bit of knowledge will notice that, no reason to get so upset here. Thank you very much for your support ❤😊👍

psychelocks · Answer

I have clearly proven my statements with studies. Fat is the causal cause of type 2 diabetes. Type 1 diabetes is primarily caused by animal proteins and fat.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

No‼️ Type 2 diabetes develops 👉not just through fat❗️ Type 1 diabetes is a complete 👉other diabetes disease 👉and the causes have 👉nothing at all with 👉to do with nutrition‼️🥳

psychelocks · Answer

Type 2 diabetes is caused by fat. This has been scientifically proven. Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease caused primarily by molecular mimicry by animal proteins. Furthermore, saturated fatty acids can trigger beta cell apoptosis. And the causes you mention represent only a small part of the causes.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

NO, 👉BOTH 👉TOTAL 👉WRONG‼️

psychelocks · Answer

No, absolutely right. After all, it's scientifically proven. Everything you're claiming is completely wrong.

rapunzel324 · Answer

One last comment from me! If you value the right information regarding diabetes, I recommend this book: Diabetology in clinic and practice, evidence-based and guideline-oriented, Thieme Verlag. 7th edition. Price > about 263.00 euros. Based on my assessment of you, you'll reject that too. The end!

psychelocks · Answer

You don't know anything about the cause of diabetes because they don't teach you that in medical school. It's a fact. Everything I say is scientifically and biochemically correct. Diabetes develops exactly as I explained. Your information is false because it is carnistic information.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

No … everything that your claim is completely wrong and nothing of this humbug was scientifically proven❗️

psychelocks · Answer

Everything I'm saying is completely true, and everything has been scientifically proven. I sent in all the studies, for example. And that's just a small sample of all the studies on this topic. You, on the other hand, have no arguments, no evidence, and can't cite any mechanisms. Everything you say is wrong because it's carnistic, biased knowledge, as explained in this video from 8:50 to 11:03.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

Everything you say is completely wrong because it's just radical vegan propaganda. Vegans have ZERO IDEA about DMTYP1 … but like to spread incompetent misinformation‼️

pachamamasquaw · Answer

This stupid propaganda video…🤦🏻‍♀️

psychelocks · Answer

You have to prove your statements. You can't. I, on the other hand, have proven everything. Everything is exactly as I explained it. The truth doesn't care whether you can believe it or not. Appeal to Incredibility Fallacy.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

No, I don't have to prove scientific consensus. The ONLY thing you transferred, is that you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA about it have type 1 diabetes❗️😂😹🤣💦💦

pachamamasquaw · Answer

Your record has a crack…💥 😹😂😹🤣💦💦

psychelocks · Answer

There's no official scientific consensus, because officially, "no cause is known." Scientific consensus is everything I'm talking about.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

No, what you're saying is nothing more than incompetent, stupid nonsense!

psychelocks · Answer

You simply claim this out of ignorance, because you don't want to accept the truth, because you are influenced by carnism and speciesism.

sarkasie · Answer

6 days ago
Nutritional therapy and counseling for diabetes | diabetesDE – German Diabetes Aid" https://www.diabetesde.org/ernaehrungstherapie-beratung-diabetes

" In the treatment of type 1 diabetes, individually tailored nutritional therapy helps regulate glucose levels."

👎

12 days ago
11 days ago
Otherwise, the treatment includes various measures such as nutritional advice…

No, also wrong❗️

Type 1 diabetics need and

don't get any nutritional advice❗️

What are you saying here,

applies to another diabetes disease:

namely type 2 diabetes❗️

To avoid high blood sugar levels, you should choose foods that cause blood sugar to rise slowly and at the same time keep you full for a long time.
👉 In context, this statement can also be understood here:
There are also foods that are ideal for lowering blood sugar levels sustainably.
This includes:
The greens are lettuce, spinach, and chard. The legumes are lentils, chickpeas, and peas.

This correction is nicely written in capital letters:

The legumes include lentils, chickpeas and beans.

Completely wrong❗️

From lentils, chickpeas,

Peas and beans do not sink

the blood sugar, but it RISES❗️

Therefore, pulses must also

Insulin💉💉injected💉💉!💉

👉 Lentils are among the long-chain or slow-absorbing carbohydrates.

Carbohydrates with a low GI cause blood sugar to rise slowly. A high GI, on the other hand, means that blood sugar rises quickly after consumption.

Red lentils: 27% and

Kidney beans: 33% low GI

however, have

Watermelon: 72% and

Cornflakes. 83% high GI

👉 Lots of carbs > lots of insulin.

rayanderson · Answer

because you don't want to accept the truth, because you believe in carnism and... Your carnism doesn't exist! Otherwise, please provide a link to the Duden...

sarkasie · Answer

Hello PsycheLocks!

In this flood of countless comments, I missed this one;)

I would like to say the following about this.

That's right, "Exercise is not the key to fighting diabetes."

Type 1 diabetics can develop insulin resistance in certain situations, although this is less common than in type 2 diabetics.

High-fat meals can affect insulin sensitivity and result in more insulin being needed to regulate blood sugar.

You should always keep an eye on your diet and its effects on your blood sugar.

The guidelines are intended to provide practical recommendations for implementation in type 1 and type 2 diabetes.

Exercise is one of the most important measures for all diabetes.

It improves quality of life. Especially for children and young people, exercise and sport are important for social integration, which should be encouraged.

Likewise, exercise and sport can reduce cardiovascular risk.

Increased blood sugar fluctuations can occur during and after physical exertion.

Exercise can be easily recommended if insulin injection, sugar intake and physical activity are precisely coordinated.

Regular exercise can optimize glucose regulation in the long term.

Sporadic, however, inevitably lead to metabolic caprices, especially in untrained and inexperienced diabetics.

In summary:

Training including the determination of individual adaptation is important due to individual differences in response:

▪the increase in glucose after food intake ▪the muscular glucose metabolism in response to physical exercise ▪the insulin response after injection and ▪the physical training status of the muscles and the whole body.

psychelocks · Answer

Your carnism doesn't exist! Carnism is an ideology that conditions us, through certain defense mechanisms (denying the truth, justifying myths, distorting perception ), to defend the consumption of animal products and reject veganism. Sooner or later, the term will appear in dictionaries, just as the term "speciesism" is found in all dictionaries. It was coined by Richard Ryder in 1971 and is still dismissed by non-vegans as "invented." Oxford Dictionary: "the belief that humans are more important than animals, which causes people to treat animals badly." If you want to learn about carnism, watch the video or read the book by Dr. Melanie Joy. Appeal to Definition Fallacy : "The dictionary definition of X does not mention Y. Therefore Y must not be part of X." Appeal to Incredibility Fallacy : Information is denied based on limited, incomplete, or faulty understanding. "I don't believe X can be true, therefore X must be false!" Appeal to Stone Fallacy : Person A (me) makes a claim. Person B rejects the claim. Person A questions the rejection. Person B provides no evidence or justification. Why are animal products unhealthy? Animal products are unhealthy, regardless of quality, origin, and preparation, because they consist of the same ingredients: cholesterol, animal fatty acids, animal proteins, growth factors such as IGF-1, hormones, carcinogens, oxidants, bacteria, viruses, heme iron . These problematic substances all cause disease. Non-vegans focus only on the positive effects of the good ingredients (nutrients), which make up only 0.1% of the dry weight, and ignore the negative effects of the bad ingredients, which make up >99% of the dry weight. This is an appeal to minority fallacy in a health context. The positive effects of the nutrients cannot compensate for the negative effects of the problematic substances. Plant-based animal product alternatives are healthier and more environmentally sustainable than animal products 2022: Vegan substitutes are healthier and more sustainable than animal products. Eating animals is ethically unjustifiable Non-vegans pay others to enslave, torture, and murder animals, increasing demand and fueling the animal slavery system, effectively making them complicit. The Oxford Dictionary defines murder as the intentional killing of animals, and it is not restricted to humans; Therefore, it also applies to animals. Non-vegans intentionally violate the rights of animals and force their deaths upon them. Non-vegans lack awareness of the issue and are unaware of the consequences, which is due to the indoctrination of carnism and speciesism. Humans strive to approach the most moral point, which is why the world is moving towards veganism. All people who are able to do so have a moral obligation to live a vegan lifestyle. Vegan is the healthiest diet in the world Long-Term Low-Calorie Low-Protein Vegan Diet and Endurance Exercise are Associated with Low Cardiometabolic Risk 2007: Vegans who hardly exercise have better blood pressure in the long term than non-vegan marathon runners. Beyond Meatless, the Health Effects of Vegan Diets: Findings from the Adventist Cohorts 2014: Vegans have a lower risk of all diseases. The Health Advantage of a Vegan Diet: Exploring the Gut Microbiota Connection 2014: Vegans have a better microbiome that leads to less inflammation. High compliance with dietary recommendations in a cohort of meat eaters, fish eaters, vegetarians, and vegans: results from the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition–Oxford study 2015: Every diet has some deficiencies, but none has a particularly high number. The vegan diet is the healthiest for the cardiovascular system. Vegetarian, vegan diets and multiple health outcomes: A systematic review with meta-analysis of observational studies 2017: Vegans have lower BMI, blood sugar, cancer, total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, triglycerides than omnivores. Vegetarians have a lower fasting insulin level and higher insulin sensitivity than matched omnivores: A cross-sectional study 2019: Vegans have the lowest fasting insulin levels and the lowest insulin resistance of any diet. The effects of plant-based diets on the body and the brain: a systematic review 2019: Evaluation of 32 studies: A plant-based diet helps against obesity, eating disorders, inflammation and improves metabolism. Claims that we have always eaten a lot of meat are based on speculation. Recently, it was discovered that cavemen ate a predominantly plant-based diet: 2024: Isotopic evidence of high reliance on plant food among Later Stone Age hunter-gatherers at Taforalt, Morocco

rayanderson · Answer

Your carnism doesn't exist! I'm still waiting for your link to the Duden... You can deal with your cult-like missionary efforts at home, on your own! Why are animal products unhealthy? INCORRECT! Your leading question takes the wrong approach! Vegan substitutes are healthier and more sustainable than animal products. INCORRECT! “Unhealthy to fatal”: Expert warnings against certain vegan products In March 2023, internist and nutritional medicine specialist Dr. Matthias Riedl, in an interview with RTL, described some vegan alternative products as “unhealthy to deadly.” The nutritionist concludes his Instagram video by stating that everyone can decide for themselves "whether they want chemicals in their food or not" and whether they want to eat "empty products." "Because if I take the protein out of the pea and put it into an ultra-processed product, then all that's in it is the protein from the pea; not the minerals, not the vitamins, not the trace elements. And if I make products like that, they're as empty as a potato chip." These ultra-processed products are the "killers" he talked about in the original post. According to rtl.de, the nutritionist bases his thesis on two studies in particular: One is the Framingham Offspring study "Convenience Foods and Heart Disease" from 2021 and the other is the cohort study "Processed Foods and Crohn's Disease," also from 2021. The Framingham Offspring Study is one of the most important epidemiological studies in the United States. Since 1948, it has been analyzing the population of the city of Framingham in Massachusetts, USA. The study examines 3,000 participants with an average age of 54 every four years. It found that highly processed foods are associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular diseases such as circulatory disorders, stroke, or heart attack, as well as a higher mortality rate. . The "Processed Foods and Crohn's Disease" cohort study examined employees of the US healthcare system. The focus of this study was to determine whether there is a link between the consumption of highly processed foods and the risk of the chronic inflammatory bowel diseases Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis. The study, which included 245,112 participants, found that consumption of highly processed foods does indeed lead to an increased risk of Crohn's disease, but not ulcerative colitis. . Riedl is therefore particularly critical of many of the vegan substitute products, as they are extremely processed and particularly chemical-rich compared to other ready-made products. . Vegan is the healthiest diet in the world INCORRECT! A vegan diet is not a healthy diet. It is an ideology! The claims that we have always eaten a lot of meat are based on speculation. INCORRECT! Homo erectus lived up to 2,000,000 years ago and it has been proven that he was NOT a vegetarian, let alone a vegan! Homo erectus : Early humans were not vegetarians Homo erectus had a large brain—but teeth too small to survive on plant-based food alone. Stone tools helped it tenderize its meat. Homo erectus is known as one of the first early humans with a considerable brain size—too large to sustain the mass of nutrient-hungry nerve cells with plant food alone. In any case, this would have required a well-developed dentition. However, Homo erectus, who lived about two million years ago, had a much more delicate dentition with significantly smaller teeth than his evolutionary predecessors. His chewing muscles were also weaker, he could bite less forcefully, and his intestine was considerably shorter. . Stop spreading disinformation here with your baseless claims! You should stop your hostility towards 3., your incitement and the spreading of hatred towards all those who eat healthy food but do not follow your ideology!

rayanderson · Answer

Once again you are just spreading baseless claims! Your cult-like attempts at proselytizing, with half-knowledge and one-sided attempts at explanation, should be dealt with by yourself at home, in a quiet room. I've been waiting for days for the link to the Duden dictionary about your carnism, which doesn't exist! ThriveAnswers is not a place for disinformation! You should also post your hate speech, your hostility towards third parties and your hate comments here! About diabetes... Diabetes mellitus type 1 and type 2 Diabetes mellitus (diabetes mellitus) is an umbrella term for various metabolic disorders. What they all have in common is that they lead to elevated blood sugar levels because patients have a deficiency of the hormone insulin and/or reduced insulin effectiveness. Type 1 diabetes is caused by an absolute deficiency of the hormone insulin, this type of diabetes is therefore also called insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus, is caused by an absolute failure of the cells in the pancreas that produce the hormone insulin, usually begins in childhood and adolescence, There is currently no cure, so patients have to inject insulin for their entire lives. Type 2 diabetes On the one hand, it is caused by a reduced sensitivity of the body's cells to insulin (insulin resistance), and on the other hand, years of overproduction of insulin leads to an "exhaustion" of the insulin-producing cells (the pancreas cannot produce enough insulin to meet the increased demand), usually begins gradually, was formerly also called "adult-onset diabetes", but in recent years young adults, even teenagers, have increasingly been affected by it. In addition to a hereditary predisposition, obesity and lack of exercise are considered the main causes of type 2 diabetes. However, an unbalanced diet (low in fiber, high in fat and sugar) and smoking also promote the development of type 2 diabetes. Various treatment modules are available. Initially, the most important are regular exercise, a balanced diet, and a normal body weight. This improves the body's cells' sensitivity to insulin and can thus reduce insulin requirements. Therefore, at the beginning of therapy, we always try to manage with general measures such as consistent lifestyle changes. If general measures are unsuccessful, various medications are available, for example, which can be taken as tablets. Only if these medications fail to control the disease will insulin injections be necessary for type 2 diabetes. Source: Federal Ministry of Health . Causes of diabetes The causes of type 1 and type 2 diabetes are different. Both types of diabetes share a decline in insulin production, albeit at very different rates. Causes of type 1 diabetes The causes of type 1 diabetes are currently only partially known. What is known is that type 1 diabetes is a polygenic disease, meaning many different genes are involved in its development. More than 20 disease-relevant gene loci have been identified to date. People with a family history of the disease who also carry a risk gene have the highest risk of developing type 1 diabetes. In addition, an immune system reaction develops that attacks and destroys the body's own insulin-producing cells – the beta cells in the islets of Langerhans in the pancreas. The body's own defense cells, the T cells, attack their own beta cells and trigger chronic inflammation in the islets of Langerhans – which ultimately leads to the death of the beta cells. The earlier in life this inflammatory process begins, the faster it usually progresses. If the insulin-producing cells are largely or completely destroyed, glucose can no longer enter the cells because the messenger substance insulin is missing. The result: blood sugar levels rise. The factors that trigger this autoimmune reaction are being intensively researched. Environmental influences such as early childhood nutrition and infections are the focus of research. Causes of type 2 diabetes When type 2 diabetes develops, various causes or triggers come together. Known factors so far include genetic predisposition, obesity and lack of exercise, insulin insensitivity, impaired insulin secretion, and impaired production of certain intestinal hormones. Source: German Center for Diabetes Research

psychelocks · Answer

I've been waiting for days for the link to the Duden dictionary about your carnism, which doesn't exist! Carnism is an important term that will definitely be added to the dictionaries. Perhaps the term is still too new. Sooner or later, the term will be added to the dictionaries, just as the term "speciesism" was added to all dictionaries. It was coined by Richard Ryder in 1971 and is still dismissed as "invented" by non-vegans like you this day, in order to avoid debate. Oxford Dictionary: "the belief that humans are more important than animals, which causes people to treat animals badly." If you want to learn about carnism, watch the video or read Dr. Melanie Joy's book , which also contains studies. In any case, your statements are based on logical fallacies and ignore the injustice, oppression, slavery, violence and murder of animals. Appeal to Definition Fallacy : "The dictionary definition of X does not mention Y. Therefore Y must not be part of X." Appeal to Incredibility Fallacy : Information is denied based on limited, incomplete, or faulty understanding. "I don't believe X can be true, therefore X must be false!" Appeal to Stone Fallacy : Person A (me) makes a claim. Person B rejects the claim. Person A questions the rejection. Person B provides no evidence or justification. Appeal to Authority Fallacy: Premise 1: Person/Institution X claims that statement A is true. Premise 2: Person/Institution X is viewed as an authority or expert. Conclusion: Therefore, statement A is true. "The problem is that the truth of A does not necessarily depend on the opinion or status of X, but on the evidence and arguments in favor of A. An authority can be wrong, and mere reliance on authority, without further evidence or logical argument, is a fallacy." Why official knowledge is problematic Official knowledge is not based on independent, objective knowledge and logical reasoning, but on biased information from our carnistic, speciesist, profit-driven healthcare system. This is explained by Dr. Melanie Joy (psychologist) in this video from 8:50 to 11:03. As unbelievable as this may sound, it's actually true. Quotes from the video "Violent systems like carnism require certain defense mechanisms (denying the truth, justifying myths, distorting perception) for their self-preservation, so that rational, humane people participate in irrational, inhumane practices without even realizing it." "A diet rich in animal products, to which carnism conditions us, is linked to some of the world's most dangerous diseases today. In contrast, a purely plant-based or vegan diet, which carnism conditions us to reject, has been shown to prevent disease or promote recovery, and also has a positive effect on health and athletic performance." "Furthermore, the myths of carnism are institutionalized. They are supported and promoted by all major social institutions (government, medicine, education, justice), and thus passed on to us. Carnistic prejudices are thus embedded in the foundation of society. (Dr. of Carnistic Nutrition Science)" "When we are born into an institutionalized system, we internalize the myths, just as we internalize the products of carnism. Thus, carnism clouds our thinking and distorts our perceptions of the meat, eggs, dairy, and animals we eat." Causes of type 1 diabetes I've explained how type 1 diabetes primarily develops under "Beta Cell Apoptosis" and "Autoimmune Diseases Like Type 1 Diabetes." This playlist also explains at the molecular level how a permeable intestinal wall develops—due, among other things, to saturated fatty acids and animal products—and why this plays a major role in the development of autoimmune diseases, all scientifically and biochemically accurate. Since the incidence of all autoimmune diseases has only increased significantly in the last few decades, the cause can lie neither in genes nor viruses, but rather in diet, as I explained for arthritis, lupus, and MS. Causes of type 2 diabetes I've explained in detail how type 2 diabetes develops under "Insulin Resistance." The cause is intramyocellular lipids, and saturated fatty acids also have a toxic effect on our beta cells. This has been scientifically proven and there's no doubt about it. Being overweight promotes diabetes, which I explained under "👉AND overweight/obesity❗️", but is not a cause. Genes are not a cause because it is epigenetics. You have to prove your statements, not with articles, but with studies and mechanisms.

psychelocks · Answer

I've been waiting for days for the link to the Duden dictionary about your carnism, which doesn't exist! Carnism is an important term that will definitely be added to the dictionaries. Perhaps the term is still too new. Sooner or later, the term will be added to the dictionaries, just as the term "speciesism" was added to all dictionaries. It was coined by Richard Ryder in 1971 and is still dismissed as "invented" by non-vegans like you this day, in order to avoid a substantive debate. Oxford Dictionary: "the belief that humans are more important than animals, which causes people to treat animals badly." If you want to learn about carnism, watch the video or read Dr. Melanie Joy's book , which also includes studies. Since you cannot defend your violence against animals, the issue is skillfully ignored, and your statements are based on logical fallacies: Appeal to Definition Fallacy : "The dictionary definition of X does not mention Y. Therefore Y must not be part of X." Appeal to Incredibility Fallacy : Information is denied based on limited, incomplete, or faulty understanding. "I don't believe X can be true, therefore X must be false!" Appeal to Stone Fallacy : Person A (me) makes a claim. Person B rejects the claim. Person A questions the rejection. Person B provides no evidence or justification. Appeal to Authority Fallacy: Premise 1: Person/Institution X claims that statement A is true. Premise 2: Person/Institution X is viewed as an authority or expert. Conclusion: Therefore, statement A is true. "The problem is that the truth of A does not necessarily depend on the opinion or status of X, but on the evidence and arguments in favor of A. An authority can be wrong, and mere reliance on authority, without further evidence or logical argument, is a fallacy." Why official knowledge is problematic Official knowledge is not based on independent, objective knowledge, but rather on biased information from our carnistic, speciesist, profit-driven healthcare system. This is explained by Dr. Melanie Joy (psychologist) in this video from 8:50 to 11:03. As unbelievable as this may sound, it's actually true. Quotes from the video "Violent systems like carnism require certain defense mechanisms (denying the truth, justifying myths, distorting perception) for their self-preservation, so that rational, humane people participate in irrational, inhumane practices without even realizing it." "A diet rich in animal products, to which carnism conditions us, is linked to some of the world's most dangerous diseases today. In contrast, a purely plant-based or vegan diet, which carnism conditions us to reject, has been shown to prevent disease or promote recovery, and also has a positive effect on health and athletic performance." "Furthermore, the myths of carnism are institutionalized. They are supported and promoted by all major social institutions (government, medicine, education, justice), and thus passed on to us. Carnistic prejudices are thus embedded in the foundation of society. (Dr. of Carnistic Nutrition Science)" "When we are born into an institutionalized system, we internalize the myths, just as we internalize the products of carnism. Thus, carnism clouds our thinking and distorts our perceptions of the meat, eggs, dairy, and animals we eat." Causes of type 1 diabetes I've explained how type 1 diabetes primarily develops under "Beta Cell Apoptosis" and "Autoimmune Diseases Like Type 1 Diabetes." This playlist also explains at the molecular level how a permeable intestinal wall develops—due, among other things, to saturated fatty acids and animal products—and why it plays a major role in the development of autoimmune diseases, all scientifically and biochemically accurate. Since the incidence of all autoimmune diseases has only increased significantly in the last few decades, the cause cannot be explained by genes or viruses, but only by diet, as I explained for arthritis, lupus, and MS. Causes of type 2 diabetes I've explained in detail how type 2 diabetes develops under "Insulin Resistance." The cause is intramyocellular lipids. This has been scientifically proven and there's no doubt about it. Furthermore, saturated fatty acids have a toxic effect on our beta cells. Being overweight promotes diabetes, which I explained under "👉AND overweight/obesity❗️", but is not a cause. Genes are not a cause because it is epigenetics. You have to prove your statements, not with articles, but with studies and mechanisms.

psychelocks · Answer

I'm familiar with this disgusting RTL report. It was full of false statements, logical fallacies, and opinions, which is why there are so many videos criticizing and refuting the report. There's no trace of facts, science, or objectivity. The nutrition doctors are incompetent anyway and don't stand up to scientific scrutiny. Appeal to Authority Fallacy Premise 1: Person/Institution X claims that statement A is true. Premise 2: Person/Institution X is viewed as an authority or expert. Conclusion: Therefore, statement A is true. "The problem is that the truth of A does not necessarily depend on the opinion or status of X, but on the evidence and arguments in favor of A. An authority can be wrong, and mere reliance on authority, without further evidence or logical argument, is a fallacy." Appeal to Nature Fallacy Premise 1: X is natural. Premise 2: Everything that is natural is good/right. Conclusion: Therefore, X is good/right. "This argument is problematic because it does not really justify why something is good or bad, but simply relies on the concept of 'natural' without defining what 'natural' even means or why it should have moral authority." Expert warnings against certain vegan products 1. There are no harmful "chemicals" in vegan products, and there are no studies that prove that these "chemicals" or vegan substitutes in general are unhealthy or cause disease. Despite the "chemicals," the health outcomes are positive. Can you show studies that show how cardiovascular disease, diabetes, obesity, fatty liver disease, Alzheimer's disease, and cancer can develop through vegan substitutes? I can show you how animal products cause all of these diseases. We have a lot of data on this. The chemical argument is an appeal to nature fallacy . But naturalness doesn't mean that something is right or better. 2. Yeast extract, methylcellulose, gluten, protein isolates, modified starch, flavoring, sugar, spice extracts, etc. are harmless and some are even beneficial to health. 3. There are a few ingredients that could be considered chemicals and could potentially be unhealthy, such as iron oxide, potassium iodate, sodium ascorbate, ascorbic acid, sodium nitrite, glutamate, or other E numbers. However, these only make up 0.01% of the product. Criticizing these few ingredients, even though the remaining 99.9% are fine, is an appeal to the minority fallacy in a health context. 4. Products that contain animal products usually have more chemicals than vegan products and place little emphasis on high-quality ingredients. 5. Animal products are so unhealthy because they contain cholesterol, animal proteins, animal fats, growth factors like IGF-1, hormones, carcinogens, oxidants, bacteria, viruses, and heme iron. Vegan products are free of these problematic substances, which have been linked to all diseases in tens of thousands of studies, which is why they can be described as either "less harmful" or "healthy." 7. The only unhealthy thing about vegan products is the amount of fat and oil. This applies to non-vegan products as well. Of course, high-fat products increase the risk of cardiovascular disease, but that's due to the fat itself and not because the products are supposedly unhealthy because of the "chemicals." Nevertheless, vegan, high-fat products are still healthier than animal products. Vegan products can certainly be called "healthy" if they contain little fat, such as yogurt or low-fat minced meat. If you consume empty calories, like cola, you can compensate for them with supplements, so this argument is also worthless. You obviously just want to spread hatred and incitement against vegans; you have no interest in a scientific debate. Plant-based animal product alternatives are healthier and more environmentally sustainable than animal products 2022: Substitute products are healthier than animal products. A four-week dietary intervention with mycoprotein-containing food products reduces serum cholesterol concentrations in community-dwelling, overweight adults: A randomized controlled trial 2024: Substitute products are healthier than animal products. Animal vs Plant-Based Meat: A Hearty Debate 2024: Substitute products are healthier than animal products. Just common sense. INCORRECT! That was a recent study that cavemen ate a predominantly plant-based diet. You're wrong, as always. You have to prove your statement. Saying "Wrong! I don't believe it!" doesn't disprove it. Your arguments on this topic are based on anecdotal evidence and have no relevance to how we should eat today. Appeal to Tradition Fallacy.

rayanderson · Answer

...and ignore the injustice, oppression, slavery, violence and murder of animals. Official knowledge is not based on independent, objective knowledge and logical thinking, but on biased information... ... Criminal liability for false accusation, according to §164 StGB

psychelocks · Answer

What's wrong with it? Please point to the passage and explain. All of this is absolutely correct. You are responsible for it, just like any other non-vegan.

rayanderson · Answer

Since you cannot defend your violence against animals, the issue is skillfully ignored and your statements are based on logical fallacies Criminal liability for false accusation, according to §164 StGB

rayanderson · Answer

Criminal liability for false accusation, according to §164 StGB Please show and explain the location. The places, see above, you already know your criminal offenses. Judges will take over the explanations...

psychelocks · Answer

Everything I say is absolutely correct.

rayanderson · Answer

INCORRECT! You think you're in a lawless area here. You're wrong about that too...!

psychelocks · Answer

Causes of type 1 diabetes I've explained how type 1 diabetes primarily develops under "Beta Cell Apoptosis" and "Autoimmune Diseases Like Type 1 Diabetes." This playlist explains at the molecular level how a leaky gut wall develops and why it plays a major role in the development of autoimmune diseases. The incidence of all autoimmune diseases has only been rising sharply in the last few decades. Therefore, the primary cause cannot be explained by genes or specific viruses, but only by diet, as I explained for arthritis, lupus, and MS. Causes of type 2 diabetes I've explained in detail how type 2 diabetes develops under "Insulin Resistance." The scientifically proven cause is intramyocellular lipids. Furthermore, saturated fatty acids have a toxic effect on our beta cells. Although being overweight promotes diabetes, as I explained under "👉AND Overweight/Obesity❗️", it is not a major cause. Genes do not cause disease because it is epigenetics. Carnism: The Psychology of Eating Meat & Why There's a Discrepancy in Science Official knowledge is not based on independent, objective information, but on biased information from our carnistic, speciesist, profit-driven healthcare system, as explained in this video from 8:50 to 11:03 by Dr. Melanie Joy (psychologist). Carnism is an important term that describes the belief system of non-vegans that demands both animal and human sacrifice. Sooner or later, the term will be included in dictionaries, just as the term "speciesism" was included in all dictionaries. It was coined by Richard Ryder in 1971, and to this day, non-vegans dismiss it as "invented" to avoid a substantive, fact-based debate. Oxford Dictionary: "the belief that humans are more important than animals, which causes people to treat animals badly." Appeal to Definition Fallacy : Premise 1: The word X does not appear in the dictionary. Conclusion: Therefore, the word X is not a real concept and should not be taken seriously. Here is the carnism video and here is the official book. Quotes from the video "Violent systems like carnism require certain defense mechanisms (denying the truth, justifying myths, distorting perception) for their self-preservation, so that rational, humane people participate in irrational, inhumane practices without even realizing it." "A diet rich in animal products, to which carnism conditions us, is linked to some of the world's most dangerous diseases today. In contrast, a purely plant-based or vegan diet, which carnism conditions us to reject, has been shown to prevent disease or promote recovery, and also has a positive effect on health and athletic performance." "Furthermore, the myths of carnism are institutionalized. They are supported and promoted by all major social institutions (government, medicine, education, justice), and thus passed on to us. Carnistic prejudices are thus embedded in the foundation of society. (Dr. of Carnistic Nutrition Science)" "When we are born into an institutionalized system, we internalize the myths, just as we internalize the products of carnism. Thus, carnism clouds our thinking and distorts our perceptions of the meat, eggs, dairy, and animals we eat." Why are animal products unhealthy? Animal products are unhealthy, regardless of quality, origin, and preparation, because they consist of the same toxic, carcinogenic ingredients: cholesterol, animal fatty acids, animal proteins, growth factors such as IGF-1, hormones, carcinogens, oxidants, bacteria, viruses, heme iron . These problematic substances have been linked to all diseases in tens of thousands of studies. Non-vegans focus on the positive effects of the good ingredients (nutrients), which make up 0.1% of the dry weight, and ignore the negative effects of the bad ingredients, which make up >99% of the dry weight. This is an appeal to minority fallacy in the health context. The positive effects of the good ingredients cannot compensate for the negative effects of the bad ingredients, which is why animal products lead to poor health outcomes. Appeal to Incredibility Fallacy : Information is denied based on limited, incomplete, or faulty understanding. "I don't believe X can be true, therefore X must be false!" Appeal to Stone Fallacy : Person A (me) makes a claim. Person B rejects the claim. Person A questions the rejection. Person B provides no evidence or justification.

psychelocks · Answer

There is no crime. Everything I say is absolutely correct and can be proven with logic, ethics, and science. Anyone who buys animal products increases demand and, with their money—like a ballot—pays for more animals to be enslaved, tortured, and murdered. This makes every non-vegan a de facto accomplice. Every consumer is responsible for what we see in factory farming documents. Your reaction implies there's a logical error on my part. Please point it out.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

Everything I say is absolutely correct No, it definitely isn't❗️ and can be proven by science. No, that is definitely not true❗️ If that WERE like that, then we would know all scientists and researchers worldwide, which for years and decades Research the causes of type 1 diabetes, that a high-fat diet, etc… is responsible for type 1 diabetes! But that is definitely not the case‼️ Anyone who buys animal products increases demand and pays with their money - like a ballot - for more animals to be enslaved, tortured and murdered. You act as if all animals, without exception, are "tortured, enslaved, and murdered" for animal products... … that's a LIE❗️ This effectively makes every non-vegan an accomplice. NONSENSE‼️❗️❗️

rayanderson · Answer

Anyone who buys animal products increases demand and, with their money—like a ballot—pays for more animals to be enslaved, tortured, and murdered. This makes every non-vegan a de facto accomplice. Every consumer is responsible for what we see in factory farming documents. I forgot to mention... The comment also constitutes the criminal offense of incitement to hatred, punishable under Section 130 of the German Criminal Code

psychelocks · Answer

I'm not paying for the enslavement, torture, or murder of animals! Nor am I complicit in any of this! Yes, you do. I forgot to mention... The comment also constitutes the criminal offense of incitement to hatred, punishable under §130 of the German Criminal Code This implies that I have a logical error in my statement: "Those who buy animal products increase demand and, with their money—like a ballot—pay for more animals to be enslaved, tortured, and murdered. This makes every non-vegan a de facto accomplice. Every consumer is responsible for what one sees in factory farming documentaries." Please point out the logical error and explain it.

psychelocks · Answer

If that WERE true, then all scientists and researchers worldwide who have been researching the causes of type 1 diabetes for years and decades would know that a high-fat diet, etc., is responsible for type 1 diabetes! But that's definitely not the case‼️ I have already explained here why no doctor, physician or diabetologist knows anything about it: Carnism: The Psychology of Eating Meat & Why There's a Discrepancy in Science Official knowledge is not based on independent, objective information, but on biased information from our carnistic, speciesist, profit-driven healthcare system, as explained in this video from 8:50 to 11:03 by Dr. Melanie Joy (psychologist). Quotes from the video "Violent systems like carnism require certain defense mechanisms (denying the truth, justifying myths, distorting perception) for their self-preservation, so that rational, humane people participate in irrational, inhumane practices without even realizing it." "A diet rich in animal products, to which carnism conditions us, is linked to some of the world's most dangerous diseases today. In contrast, a purely plant-based or vegan diet, which carnism conditions us to reject, has been shown to prevent disease or promote recovery, and also has a positive effect on health and athletic performance." "Furthermore, the myths of carnism are institutionalized. They are supported and promoted by all major social institutions (government, medicine, education, justice), and thus passed on to us. Carnistic prejudices are thus embedded in the foundation of society. (Dr. of Carnistic Nutrition Science)" "When we are born into an institutionalized system, we internalize the myths, just as we internalize the products of carnism. Thus, carnism clouds our thinking and distorts our perceptions of the meat, eggs, dairy, and animals we eat." ... that's a LIE❗️NONSENSE‼️❗️❗️ This implies that I have a logical error in my statement: "Those who buy animal products increase demand and, with their money—like a ballot—pay for more animals to be enslaved, tortured, and murdered. This makes every non-vegan a de facto accomplice. Every consumer is responsible for what one sees in factory farming documentaries." Please point out the logical error and explain it.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

. This stupid, fictitious 👉Fantasy term "carnism" explains nothing at all, since it there is no “carnism” at all‼️

psychelocks · Answer

Appeal to Definition Fallacy Premise 1: The word or definition X does not appear in the dictionary. Premise 2: Only words or definitions that appear in the dictionary are valid. Conclusion: Therefore, the word or definition X is not a real concept and should not be taken seriously. The fallacy is that the validity of a word or definition does not depend on whether it appears in the dictionary. Dictionary definitions are not comprehensive and do not include all possible or technical definitions. Can you formulate a substantive argument?

psychelocks · Answer

Sure, carnism exists; you can watch it in the video here . It describes the violent ideology of non-vegans, which works with oppression, lies, and propaganda, which is why you want to deny it at all costs.

rayanderson · Answer

Once again you are just spreading baseless claims! Your cult-like attempts at proselytizing, with half-knowledge and one-sided attempts at explanation, should be dealt with by yourself at home, in a quiet room. I've been waiting for days for the link to the Duden dictionary about your carnism, which doesn't exist! ThriveAnswers is not a place for disinformation! You should also post your hate speech, your hostility towards third parties and your hate comments here! About diabetes... Diabetes mellitus type 1 and type 2 Diabetes mellitus (diabetes mellitus) is an umbrella term for various metabolic disorders. What they all have in common is that they lead to elevated blood sugar levels because patients have a deficiency of the hormone insulin and/or reduced insulin effectiveness. Type 1 diabetes is caused by an absolute deficiency of the hormone insulin, this type of diabetes is therefore also called insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus, is caused by an absolute failure of the cells in the pancreas that produce the hormone insulin, usually begins in childhood and adolescence, There is currently no cure, so patients have to inject insulin for their entire lives. Type 2 diabetes On the one hand, it is caused by a reduced sensitivity of the body's cells to insulin (insulin resistance), and on the other hand, years of overproduction of insulin leads to an "exhaustion" of the insulin-producing cells (the pancreas cannot produce enough insulin to meet the increased demand), usually begins gradually, was formerly also called "adult-onset diabetes", but in recent years young adults, even teenagers, have increasingly been affected by it. In addition to a hereditary predisposition, obesity and lack of exercise are considered the main causes of type 2 diabetes. However, an unbalanced diet (low in fiber, high in fat and sugar) and smoking also promote the development of type 2 diabetes. Various treatment modules are available. Initially, the most important are regular exercise, a balanced diet, and a normal body weight. This improves the body's cells' sensitivity to insulin and can thus reduce insulin requirements. Therefore, at the beginning of therapy, we always try to manage with general measures such as consistent lifestyle changes. If general measures are unsuccessful, various medications are available, for example, which can be taken as tablets. Only if these medications fail to control the disease will insulin injections be necessary for type 2 diabetes. Source: Federal Ministry of Health . Causes of diabetes The causes of type 1 and type 2 diabetes are different. Both types of diabetes share a decline in insulin production, albeit at very different rates. Causes of type 1 diabetes The causes of type 1 diabetes are currently only partially known. What is known is that type 1 diabetes is a polygenic disease, meaning many different genes are involved in its development. More than 20 disease-relevant gene loci have been identified to date. People with a family history of the disease who also carry a risk gene have the highest risk of developing type 1 diabetes. In addition, an immune system reaction develops that attacks and destroys the body's own insulin-producing cells – the beta cells in the islets of Langerhans in the pancreas. The body's own defense cells, the T cells, attack their own beta cells and trigger chronic inflammation in the islets of Langerhans – which ultimately leads to the death of the beta cells. The earlier in life this inflammatory process begins, the faster it usually progresses. If the insulin-producing cells are largely or completely destroyed, glucose can no longer enter the cells because the messenger substance insulin is missing. The result: blood sugar levels rise. The factors that trigger this autoimmune reaction are being intensively researched. Environmental influences such as early childhood nutrition and infections are the focus of research. Causes of type 2 diabetes When type 2 diabetes develops, various causes or triggers come together. Known factors so far include genetic predisposition, obesity and lack of exercise, insulin insensitivity, impaired insulin secretion, and impaired production of certain intestinal hormones. Source: German Center for Diabetes Research . Why are animal products unhealthy? The claim in your leading question is equally baseless, unfounded and definitely wrong! The construction of a thesis based on concepts that do not actually exist and constructed ideologies leads to a false claim.

pachamamasquaw · Answer

There is NO carnism. That's just a made-up fantasy word from a crazy vegan psycho aunt.

psychelocks · Answer

I just explained to you that your argument is invalid and a logical fallacy. Do you understand? Can you formulate a substantive argument?

pachamamasquaw · Answer

Yes, exactly… there is logically NO carnism. That's just a fantasy word made up by a crazy vegan psycho. Can you understand that?

psychelocks · Answer

Can you formulate a substantive argument? Do you understand that your argument is invalid?

sunnymarie32 · Answer

Sure, there is carnism - no, there isn't. A glance at the current Duden dictionary is enough to recognize that: https://www.duden.de/suche/dudenonline/karnismus The fallacy is that the validity of a word or definition doesn't depend on whether it's in the dictionary — but it is. Can you formulate a substantive argument? - Yes: the fact that a few EXTREMIST, MILITANT vegans invented a word that is used exclusively by EXTREMIST, MILITANT vegans is not proof of the crude theories behind this bizarre neologism, which absolutely no one outside the bubble of EXTREMIST, MILITANT vegans knows.

rayanderson · Answer

Anyone who buys animal products increases demand and, with their money—like a ballot—pays for more animals to be enslaved, tortured, and murdered. This makes every non-vegan a de facto accomplice. Every consumer is responsible for what we see in factory farming documents. Criminally relevant comment! The comment constitutes the criminal offense of incitement to hatred, punishable under Section 130 of the German Criminal Code. . Ray Anderson's statement: I am not paying for the enslavement, torture, or murder of animals! Nor is there any complicity here! Statement by PsycheLock (timestamp 08/26/24, 2:57:41 p.m.): Yes, you do. Criminally relevant comment! The comment constitutes a criminal offense of false accusation, punishable under Section 164 of the German Criminal Code.

rayanderson · Answer

Since you are obviously misinterpreting the law, here is something to read! The first paragraph of §130 and §164, paragraphs 1 & 2... . Criminal Code (StGB) § 130 Incitement to hatred (1) Whoever, in a manner likely to disturb the public peace, incites hatred against a group defined by national, racial, religious or ethnic origin, against parts of the population or against an individual because of their membership of a group or part of the population, calls for violence or arbitrary measures or attacks the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously disparaging or slandering a group, part of the population or an individual because of their membership in a group or part of the population, shall be punished with imprisonment from three months to five years. . Criminal Code (StGB) § 164 False suspicion (1) Whoever, in a public authority or in a public official or military superior, against his better knowledge , suspects another of an unlawful act or of the breach of an official duty with the intention of initiating or continuing official proceedings or other official measures against him, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or a fine. (2) Whoever, with the same intention, makes any other assertion of a factual nature to one of the bodies referred to in paragraph 1 or publicly about another person against his better knowledge, which is likely to bring about or to continue official proceedings or other official measures against him, shall be punished in the same way.

rayanderson · Answer

Sure, there is carnism I have explained it to you many times, carnism does not exist! You have always failed to provide a link to the Duden dictionary because it doesn't exist. There's no point in constantly reposting your ideologically based, baseless arguments. That doesn't make them true!

rayanderson · Answer

Carnism is the ideology of non-vegans and a system that promotes carnist misinformation, including in all major social institutions such as government, education, medicine, and the judiciary.

Carnism does not exist.

Insults and/or denigration of the government, medicine and the judiciary will not help!

The term is purely ideological in nature and was invented by radical vegans.

People who eat as they have done for 2,000,000 years, namely not vegetarian or vegan, do not follow an ideology but live completely normally.

psychelocks · Answer

There is carnism. You can watch it in the video here . It describes the violent ideology of non-vegans, which works with oppression, lies, and propaganda, which is why you want to deny it at all costs.

Appeal to Definition Fallacy
Premise 1: The word/definition X does not appear in the dictionary.
Premise 2: Only words/definitions that appear in the dictionary are valid.
Conclusion: Therefore, the word/definition X is not a real concept and should not be taken seriously.

The fallacy is that the validity of a word or definition does not depend on whether it appears in the dictionary. Dictionary definitions are not comprehensive and do not include all possible or technical definitions.

Appeal to Incredibility Fallacy
Information is rejected due to limited, incomplete, or faulty understanding. "I don't believe X can be true, therefore X must be false."

Appeal to Stone Fallacy
Person A (me) makes a claim. Person B rejects the claim. Person A questions the rejection. Person B provides no evidence or justification.

Can you formulate a substantive argument?

psychelocks · Answer

The fallacy is that the validity of a word or definition doesn't depend on whether it's in the dictionary — but it is. Appeal to Definition Fallacy Premise 1: The word or definition X does not appear in the dictionary. Premise 2: Only words or definitions that appear in the dictionary are valid. Conclusion: Therefore, the word or definition X is not a real concept and should not be taken seriously. "The logical fallacy is that the validity of a word or definition does not depend on whether it is in the dictionary. Dictionary definitions are not comprehensive and do not include all possible or technical definitions." To see where the moral problem lies, you can replace the X with other forms of violence such as rape, slavery, murder, or racism. Can you formulate a substantive argument? Yes: the fact that a few EXTREMISTIC, MILITANT vegans invent a word that is used exclusively by EXTREMISTIC, MILITANT vegans is no proof of the crude theories behind this bizarre word creation, which absolutely no one outside the bubble of EXTREMISTIC, MILITANT vegans knows. Watch the factory farming documentary Earthlings, then we'll talk again about extremist, radical and militant.

rayanderson · Answer

And again, just baseless claims, nonexistent terms, and insults... An argument without arguments has never been helpful. At some point, it should get through. Your false claims do not become any truer just because you add more copy & paste comments. Calling other people stupid seems to be your top priority. Perhaps you should start presenting objective arguments. That would be helpful. Your comment is again just a helpless copy & paste insult.

rayanderson · Answer

How many times do we see these copy-paste comments, with no arguments, with made-up terms, but the typical insults aren't missing... An argument without arguments has never been helpful. Your false claims do not become any truer just because you add more copy & paste comments. Calling other people stupid seems to be your top priority. Perhaps you should start presenting objective arguments. That would be helpful. Your comment is again just a helpless copy & paste insult.

shiganaoya · Answer

And now, after this incoherent talk, please formulate a substantive argument.

rayanderson · Answer

And now, after this incoherent talk, please formulate a substantive argument. Read and understand...! Then many comments are unnecessary! As a newcomer, you should read up on this before posting nonsense.

sarkasie · Answer

If you are interested: Is there a term for carnism and if so, what is it?

rayanderson · Answer

No, carnism does not exist. https://www.duden.de/suche/dudenonline/Karnismus Duden: Search results for carnism Unfortunately, your search query did not yield any results. If I tell you about A735Ne82tz5, does it exist? What is that? Anyway... just think of something. I could talk about it for an hour. That's the way it is with the term. It doesn't exist. As has been read here many times, this was thought up by a radical vegan who wanted to use it to defend an invented ideology.

sarkasie · Answer

All right, thank you 👍😊 To be honest, I've never heard of carnism. Partly because I'm neither vegan nor vegetarian.

Due to an increased risk of malnutrition (vitamin B12), a vegan diet is not recommended or suitable for everyone, such as people with increased nutrient needs, such as children, adolescents and pregnant women.

I couldn't live without meat and sausage anymore.

rayanderson · Answer

It is the term of an invented ideology, of a radical vegan.

This fabricated claim that meat-eating is an ideology is based on false theories. Even Homo erectus (the origins of which date back 2 million years ago) regularly ate meat.

I wrote some information about this under the question in your link, which might be of interest to you.