Is the 9-euro ticket well thought out and sensible?
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Maybe not properly implemented in every detail, but a good idea.
It is possible to find out what influence the fare has on the willingness to use existing public transport.
The second major question, namely the influence of an extended offer of public transport on the willingness to use it, can of course not be found.
However, this would also cause a much higher logistical effort and probably even higher costs.
However, it should be borne in mind that this action is intended primarily for the relief of citizens in everyday life, e.g. for professional commuters, and is not intended to drive around in Germany for fun and boredom in leisure.
The fact that the latter will of course also happen is clear, but should not be taken into account when evaluating the 9 Euro ticket. Especially since it is likely that the situation would become normal in this respect very quickly, the 9 Euro ticket would be permanent. No one wants to drive from Stuttgart to Sylt in 16 hours. This would quickly become uninteresting.
In principle, I do not think it is wrong to make public transport more attractive to citizens, and ultimately this is an absolutely necessary step to avoid a collapse of infrastructure.
Prices play a very important role, but in my view this is not the decisive criterion or criterion. Problem. I would pay here in the city for an annual subscription with 3-zones (price level 3) 765€. The €63.75 is expected to be a month, so it’s really within the framework – if you drive it regularly. Low on a single ticket with 3 zones (price level 3) at the price of 4,40€ (one direction) would be the 15 rides to get out to “0”. If you travel to work every day, it would be 40 trips or €1.69/drive at 20 days.
In theory, that doesn’t sound bad, you expect your own car to be able to keep it with the price for the public. But now the great ABER…
The connections are simply miserable. When I was still working in shift (breakfast/night in a weekly change), this was due for me and (theoretically) was only possible in the early shift. However, I would have had to go on the first bus at 4:30 a.m. and arrive at the destination station at 5:55 a.m. (bus > train > bus). walk from there again minimum 5 minutes. So I would have appeared to be late to work and had a journey of 90 minutes.
By car, I drove home for the early shift at 5:30 am, the short piece on the highway and then was 5:40 / 5:45 on the lanyard. For the night shift, there was no connection for me that I could have used.
But now I live in a city that is owned by technology companies, so there are many commuters and shifters here.
Long speech, short sense:
Prices are not the problem. Each of them will come to the conclusion that the public is cheaper than the private car. They are the miserable connections which make the public so unattractive. If I need 90 minutes (simple!) with the public to work, but only about 15 minutes (simple) by car, then the question with what I’m driving is done quickly. The time I was wasted in the public I would rather use to sleep and can therefore use the day longer.
The 9€ ticket can make public transport look a ticker more pretty, but a difference makes it hardly. To make the public more interesting, it needs connections that make it attractive for the broad mass.
You’re right.
It’s similar to me.
I live on the edge of a German city. In the middle of downtown? No problem, the tram runs every 7 minutes, the S-Bahn every 15 minutes. Travel time is about 15 to 20 minutes. It’s perfect.
In other words, my job is somewhat outside, in the other direction; Distance, about 4.5 km from home:
car 7 minutes (I only use in heavy rain); bicycle 15 minutes; Bus at least 30 minutes without walk to the stop. Makes everything in all about 45 minutes. In 45 minutes I would have walked directly to work…
The ticket is about as well thought out as the tank discount, not at all. Both do not benefit (mostly) people much, but cost the taxpayer a lot of money.
The 9€ ticket is ultimately particularly attractive for commuters in large cities, so for those who already drive with the public. The ticket will hardly help more people (sustainably) to use the public as the connections are still too bad. The only reason now is the cheaper prices, these traps after 3 months away again and therefore the most important reason to drive with the public instead of your own car.
In rural areas, however, this ticket is unusable. Even if the ticket for the rural population were given, it would not help much there, because the miserable connections force people to their own car or motorcycle to stay mobile. While some shorter distances may not be completed by bicycles, it is especially the professional routes that force their own car.
The tank rebate is supposed to close the gap and thus also reach the people under the arms that have only severe access to the public. So help all those who still have to drive with the car or motorcycle because they are not otherwise mobile.
But if you look at the current prices, you can see that the discount is absolutely no use, not at all to the citizens. “Seltsamlich” prices have risen steadily since the last weeks and during the price has been relatively stable between € 1.95 and €2.05 (Super E5), these are now at €2.15 and further rising. The tank discount is supposed to be between 20 and 30 cents, but you don’t have to think great enough to recognize it.
Both discounts are implemented “typically German”. The taxpayer costs a lot of money, in the end, the citizen has nothing but more public debt he has to pay. In this case, the oil companies are allowed to fill their pockets especially in the tank discount, but these are the only ones who benefit from this tank discount.
If the government would rather use the money to improve the public infrastructure, then everyone would have been significantly more helpful and the top-level sustainable. Now there are three months of “benefits”, but what after that?
I did not trust the current government much, but the traffic lights have proved that they are actually unable to govern this country. Not to mention that this country is leading through crises. The impact of this on Europe and European policy has not yet been taken into account.
A temporary reduction or expulsion of VAT, for example, to foods and items of daily need, would of course have brought much more than just dropping fuel and rail prices, and would have really relieved everyone.
Drivers, trainers, workers, pensioners, people in the country and in the city, from myself the lighthouse keeper on Helgoland …
Just everyone.
And most motorists and railway commuters should also care whether they are now temporarily saving a few euros in fuelling or railing, or just the same amount instead of at the checkout in the supermarket.
Völig danaben I cannot find the 9 Euro ticket for other reasons. (See my answer.)
What will happen at best?
In a short time window, there will possibly be a run on the ÖPNV, which in doubt must make inventory to get this run.
Danch may relocate the investments, who are in vain.
In principle, the whole is a typical German construction of the division “good thought and badly made”. Over the years, the ÖPNV has been broken and smashed so that it is hardly a proper alternative to individual transport – not just outside the city. This is precisely why some 95-year-old grandpas also drive from the village despite knowingly poor health and, if necessary, at the border to rideability, with the Opel cadet etc. around the area – usually a bus leaves the pupils in the morning, then a school bus comes back at noon and again in the evening, nothing comes in between. On weekends there is either a bus per day or no one at all. The 9-Euro ticket is more an excuse of politics so that it cannot be said that it had done nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxDPeIiWsVY
For the flat land it is unsuitable for the above reason, therefore “planlos”. But precisely because of such actions, more and more people in rural areas feel abandoned by the “people’s parties”, do not even choose or the AfD (we still choose, but not the AfD). Policies are largely due to the failure of the major parties. In front of the press, the ” rural space” and its importance/value are preached, because it sounds good and people want to hear it, but after the election won hardly any MdB or MdL want to know more about it.
HomeOffice meal, !
No, because the government almost never gets the right things that have a hand and foot.
Most of the time, something’s just getting kicked out to scare the stupid crowd. Smart question and check. Unfortunately, the mass is too naive to question “all”.
I can now drive for me three months for 9,00 € with the ÖPNV on site and also save at the company subscription or don’t pay anything, but that doesn’t bring me before and after.
Now spontaneously spend money and plan a trip, I don’t do extra for this 9,00 €. The travel costs are low and this seems to be ingeniously favorable, but Kost & Logie still costs something so that I would have to spend money on the bottom line. In addition, I would have to take “extra” or leave. Don’t go and I won’t.
Other things have been decided, but so much does not come out under STrich. The cost has risen enormously last year and what you get is not enough. A drop on the hot stone!
If families wanted to go on holiday (the action is valid until the “ferries”) anyway, the at least money could be saved at the cost of travel.
But, I’d rather use the ICE etc, because time is just more precious to me. The whole day “only” because of the saving on the train, nothing is for me.
For families or people who wanted to drive anyway, it seems to be practical. They then save at least for the journey costs. Psychologically, however, it is so that people who save, have a loose purse and then spend more money under the line. To what extent each individual family then “savings” is left.
It seems to be the individual person and situation.
The money would have been better invested in the OPNV for permanent improvements than in an ineffective straw fire.
In addition to the gasoline gift, one of the most stupid measures.
Hopefully, the importance of the ÖPNV is understood.
The importance would be understood.
It will use you (resp. the user) bloss nix if the necessary infrastructure is not ready. Continuous delays, defective toilets and chronic overload are already enough today – especially with the connections you can use with the 9-Euro ticket.
I don’t care about defective toilets and I don’t see overload.
delays would also be half as wild if the connecting trains were to wait (at least for this standard delay of 5-15 min)
Exactly your last sentence is the mistake. The timetables should be designed so that you can pick up 10 min per regular driving time of 1 h.
An example – a local transport line always swings between Münster and Rheine – a traveler arrives lately in Münster and the local train is waiting. The traveler arrives at the destination with a slight delay, for example Greven.
Another traveller therefore departs lately in Greven, arrives lately in Rheine and therefore gets his long distance to Amsterdam no longer, if only two-hour driving, good night…
The timescale would be good if there were times, the whole thing has often been sewn to the edge that there are no reserves.
I agree with the second part.
I see the first part differently. It’s a good time to find how long you wait. When I was in the Czech Republic (very dense, though obsolete railway network) this was wonderful.
“Closes are waiting” always sounds good, but then even more delays take place, and whoever takes the “connection” is missing the second connection… and already no more fits.
Planned time buffers in the timetable could solve some of the problems – a planned 15 minutes longer but reliable time of travel than fast on the paper and then long on the transfer station…
Bread and games
(As I read more here, Hartz4 is in holiday mood.)
You have to be able to talk. Alaaf
Absolute
If they’d rather have put the money in the PNV…
How much…